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I Entered the Wrong Section In 770

From the COLlive inbox: A Crown Heights teen describes what happened when she tried to find a spot in what appeared to be a designated area in the women’s section of 770 Eastern Parkway. Full Story

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On point!
October 24, 2019 10:54 pm

Beautifully written ! I couldn’t agree more!

Mesiras Nefesh
October 24, 2019 10:59 pm

You have to understand that these guests are poshut going on mesiras nefesh to be here. Think of the stories you’ve heard of Reb Chonye Merazav and Mendel Futerfas, Tishrai guests carry out our day Mesiras Nefesh. Do you know what kind of sacrifice it is to give up your spacious Israeli dorm room to transition to a bunk-bed at Eishel?? Or authentic Israeli Chumus for cheap American knockoffs…?? Next year, aside for just having around the clock cleaning outside 770, the Vaad should hire an around the clock crew at Times Square for our selfless Tishrai guests!!

Ch mom
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 12:25 am

What mesiras nefesh? Wake up! The parents borrow money for the tickets, which takes them a year to pay back. The girls come here thinking tishrei is only for them. they do not have ahavas yisroel. All they do is go shopping every day.
i personally came home one night after hakofas (several years ago) with a black & blue thigh after a french girl pulled and pushed me out of my place.
Let them stay home. We do not need such guests here.

Wow what a generalization....
Reply to  Ch mom
October 25, 2019 7:57 am

Most these girls work very hard to make their own money…please Israeli parents arent about to borrow money for their kids…let’s be real. And yes even if these girls are borrowing money to come that shows how much they actually want to come and how much it means to them! And yes their are the girls that come just to party but if you think about it they are the minority! And also it’s not like we can tell people not to come to our community! What do you think the rebbe would say to that! But yes I actually… Read more »

770
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 12:47 am

I’ll never forget last year when I asked a girl to please let me stand in her spot for a few minutes to see what was going on, she replied they were sitting there all day saving the spot and I just came, well yes that’s true because we are busy cooking and cleaning up after hosting the girls and boys and don’t have the luxury to run out as soon as the meal is done back to hold our spot.

Around the clock cleaning?????!!!!!
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 2:05 am

Where do you live? 770 looks like a dump!

Satire
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 2:35 am

Hilarious comment. It’s a shame that some people have no clue what satire is.

Sorry
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 8:43 am

It does not justify in any way shape or form this sick/crazy behavior. IT GOES AGAINS EVERYTHING THE REBBE THOUGHT US AND LIVED BY.

to Mesiras Nefesh NOT!!
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 10:18 am

love it !!! your good

You are right!
Reply to  Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 11:25 am

On top of cleaning crew, maybe a madricha should be hired to supervise and make sure that all their behavior in 770 is approriate.

Very sad
October 24, 2019 11:03 pm

100%

Given out to Israelis
October 24, 2019 11:06 pm

This needs to be given out in all the Israeli schools and seminaries .

Thank u for taking the guts to write this!!
October 24, 2019 11:07 pm

Thats why i dont go to 770 during Tishrei..The last time i went i got stared at & smirked at as if this is totally their Shul & how dare we come! Also what was with those crates this year at SBH? COL wrote they wouldnt allow crates!
P.S. My cousin has a paid seat for rosh hashana & Yom Kippur U think she went?

Empty Seat?
Reply to  Thank u for taking the guts to write this!!
October 25, 2019 2:59 am

Lmk where it is for next yr.

give me her seat!!
Reply to  Thank u for taking the guts to write this!!
October 25, 2019 1:03 pm

I DEMAND!!!

Agreed and thank you
October 24, 2019 11:09 pm

Thank you so much for speaking up about this problem, not only is it a problem for us how about the gentiles who live in the area who they totally disrespect in the streets and supermarkets the chilul hashem and what about the chilul Lubavitch they make in the non Lubavitch communities boro park, Williamsburg and flatbush etc…

Israeli thug
October 24, 2019 11:13 pm

I had this Israeli thug try to start up with me since he thought I looked at him the wrong way (no idea how), I took off my hat and jacket and told him if he takes a step forward I’ll put him to sleep. He saw I wasn’t here to play and backed off real quick, only way to deal with these hoodlums!

great story
Reply to  Israeli thug
October 25, 2019 1:04 pm

CH men need to stand up for themselves… maybe learn Krav Maga. use the israeli’s defence force back on them if they start up…

yea
Reply to  great story
October 27, 2019 12:28 am

anti-antisemitism is rising around the world, we Jews must defend ourselves.
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(and V’ahavta Liray’acha is also a mitzvah)

Welcome
October 24, 2019 11:14 pm

Welcome to 770
This is nothing compared to what happens by the men

Why should we take this?
Reply to  Welcome
October 25, 2019 12:27 am

Sorry this is our shul, its our community.

They should not be allowed to just run free and do whatever

This is not your shul!!This is a shul for everyo
Reply to  Why should we take this?
October 26, 2019 11:24 am

Rebbe dodnt make a difference between local and no, even more when guests from abroad came to the Rebbe they usually got a special attention..

So what
Reply to  Welcome
October 25, 2019 2:07 am

This is absolutely not ok and something has to be changed!! No more of “it’s 770 that’s the way it is”!

how do we change this
Reply to  So what
October 25, 2019 3:14 pm

Aguch has been trying to change the 770 situation for years…

Very sad to read this..
October 24, 2019 11:18 pm

The coordinators of the Israeli girls need to be on top of this and send girls out who behave like this.

coordinators?
Reply to  Very sad to read this..
October 25, 2019 12:25 am

I don’t think anyone is coordinating they just show up here.

The Answer/Solution
Reply to  Very sad to read this..
October 25, 2019 8:52 am

Starts/Finish at the source
Mir Darft Visan Avu Mir Shtait Un Far Vemen Mir Shtait.

TO THE COORDINATORS
Reply to  Very sad to read this..
October 25, 2019 12:39 pm

YOU MUST PUT ONE OR MORE PEOPLE IN CHARGE IN EACH PART OF THE LADIES SECTION TO TRAIN AND CONTROL THOSE GIRLS WHO BEHAVE THIS WAY. THEY ARE VERY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY OF OTHERS, BESIDES BEING UNFAIR.

This is why I avoid 770 for all of Tishrei!
October 24, 2019 11:23 pm

Nine times out of ten, it’s a fine and even orderly atmosphere at 770 during Tishrei, but you never know when this kind of awful situation will occur there. Are there no madrichos who can be considered authority figures for the female orchim? Certainly if the food can be well organized (which it seems to be: kudos to all the providers!), the conduct can be, too. I strongly suggest that there be madrichos appointed/hired from among the Hebrew-speaking women residents of Crown Heights — on duty in shifts at all times during the most crowded times of Tishrei at 770,… Read more »

I agree!!!
Reply to  This is why I avoid 770 for all of Tishrei!
October 25, 2019 1:07 pm

And oy vey.. a few years ago the police got strict and started arresting israli and frenchies every time they got violent. the police force started doing this on rosh hashanah and yom kippur and by the time it was sukkos the israelis knew not to start up and there was peace in the world

Their will always be nasty ones
October 24, 2019 11:31 pm

I had good experience with the Israelis.
When I came to shul they asked me if I would like to see. They were helpful to get me to the front. Their great girls that come here. You happened to encounter with some nasty ones. Sorry for what you had to go through. But not all Israelis are like that and far from it, I would say!!

Say WHAT!!!
Reply to  Their will always be nasty ones
October 25, 2019 8:25 am

Hard to believe!!!!

Agree
Reply to  Their will always be nasty ones
October 25, 2019 12:24 pm

There are always going to be rude ppl wherever you are. Don’t blame it on the isrealis. Happens to be i live in crown heights and always come to 770. Even in tishrei. In all my years I had about one issue with them, which was slightly my fault. I even made friends with a lot of the girls. Stop stereotyping. It’s not true and it’s completely opposite of the ahavas yisroel that you think you deserve.

BH same experience
Reply to  Their will always be nasty ones
October 25, 2019 1:10 pm

I took an israelis seat and was expecting her to yell at me but she was nice and quiet about it. but unfortunately I have seen too many times israelis starting up. sorry, mister. you’re guess is inaccurate. its not a one time occurrence

of course but
Reply to  Their will always be nasty ones
October 29, 2019 7:24 pm

but putting up milk crates involves organization of some kind and of the wrong kind

Another crazy situation on Kingston Ave, too
October 24, 2019 11:39 pm

On the last night of simchas beis hasho’eivah, there were antics on fire escapes on the Kol Tuv/Kingston Pizza block of Kingston. I saw a faction of bachurim literally take over a fire escape for the sake of displaying a sign on the fire escape that the local residents didn’t want displayed there: YES! A part of someone’s own home was taken over. When the local resident of the apartment — a female — tried to take a photo of one of the intruders, he physically assaulted her! I was horrified to see this happen, and many of the dancing… Read more »

The roof top of that building was open
Reply to  Another crazy situation on Kingston Ave, too
October 25, 2019 12:22 am

I informed a police man about the danger of so many people leaning forward from the roof’s low fence.
I asked if someone can go there and tell everyone to go down.
Nothing was done .
ESHEL and the different organized groups should provide the visitors with a stronger set of rules of behavior during their visit , together with enforcing body that supervises and receives reports / complaints from locals, in case of need .

On the roof
Reply to  The roof top of that building was open
October 25, 2019 9:46 am

The police did com to the roof to kick everyone off.

man
Reply to  The roof top of that building was open
October 25, 2019 1:14 pm

you think they havent set rules? you think the israelis LISTEN to these rules?

Sorry dude
Reply to  Another crazy situation on Kingston Ave, too
October 25, 2019 12:25 pm

Majority of those ppl included the bochurim we americans

as for the milk cartons being piled high
Reply to  Another crazy situation on Kingston Ave, too
October 25, 2019 1:13 pm

on the contrary, the police are NOT turning a blind eye. The Vaad of 770 promised the police that they will make sure everything is okay. unfortunately, the police dont have the go ahead to get involved in things they should definitely get involved in.

I agree
Reply to  Another crazy situation on Kingston Ave, too
October 25, 2019 3:58 pm

Thank Hashem for the twins from France! 🇫🇷🇫🇷

Similar Experience
October 24, 2019 11:53 pm

I had a very similar experience. I’m glad someone wrote this article as I was thinking of writing a similar one. I came to 770 union section at about 3:00. Apparently the ENTIRE union section was being saved by Israelis for their Israeli friends. I repeat. The entire section. Explain to me how it makes sense that the Israelis own an entire section of 770. I ended up getting a spot and after a tremendous amount of verbal and physical abuse (yes there was one girl touching me in a very aggressive manner) and threats to take us out of… Read more »

Sure
Reply to  Similar Experience
October 25, 2019 12:25 am

Because MOSHIACH IS COMING !

Mark my words!
Reply to  Similar Experience
October 25, 2019 2:36 am

What’s your name?

Growing Pains
Reply to  Similar Experience
October 25, 2019 9:01 am

Its time to find solutions for all , lets move forward together and face this as a challenge not as a problem. Only Together Brochos Take Effect.

Anyone care to chime in?
October 24, 2019 11:57 pm

Unfortunately, I too have had similar unfair treatment from whom the local community might deem as “outsiders” or “not from around here”. Its hard to glean from the authors telling of this story what the other parties back story might be, and what justifications they might have for guarding those spaces so fiercely. In all fairness, they may have been waiting there all day and were were not invited into someone’s home as the author assumes in imagining generalities. In fact, they may have never been immersed in the local wonderful and generous hospitality the author bases her arguments on.… Read more »

That's silly to assume
Reply to  Anyone care to chime in?
October 25, 2019 10:59 am

This was a silly response. She took joy in their discomfort?? Imagine you stood there with one other friend while you were outnumbered who stood there calling you out in an obnoxious matter. She chose to ‘fight’ them back with kindness instead of anything negative. So no, she did not yell, physically try to remove them, or incredibly, argue rudely back. She smiled. The same tactics we use to teach young children who are bring bullied on one way they can deal with it. Of course each situation is different so I’m not saying that would necessarily be the approach… Read more »

nothing beats ch tishrei
Reply to  Anyone care to chime in?
October 25, 2019 11:25 am

we welcome and gladly host the Rebbes orchim year after year and all year long too . they come and go as they please with no regard to their hostess preparation . Tishrei actually comes but once a year with yomim tovim once for all no matter who or where from . something to be considered finally in 770 and out .
the Rebbe thanked us for hosting his orchim .but also reminded his orchim to behave as guests should

Major Tznius Issues
October 25, 2019 12:15 am

Simchas beis has become a mixed party, I wonder why the rabbonim don’t say anything.

The walkway was actually just an extension of the woman’s side and men were trapped behind dancing girls so busy Instagraming they would not move out of the way.

Besides for the tznius issue, there is a safety risk in that!

the rabbonim arent going to ban simchas beis
Reply to  Major Tznius Issues
October 25, 2019 1:20 pm

and to think that we will be provided with better quality seperation gates? absurd

Major Tznius Issues
Reply to  the rabbonim arent going to ban simchas beis
October 25, 2019 3:58 pm

Rabbonim don’t need to ban, just to set rules and make sure they are kept

Lack of space
October 25, 2019 12:16 am

We need a bigger shul. We need more locations for tashlich. We need more mikvaos.

We need security at 770.

Or else We need to limit the guests allowed to come here

Really..
Reply to  Lack of space
October 25, 2019 2:14 am

I think if every one would just be respectful it would work. When there’s room in the heart there’s room in the shul!!

I agree
Reply to  Really..
October 26, 2019 10:35 pm

In the Bais Hamikdash there was space for everyone – 770 is our Bais Hamikdash!

n’NOW!!!!

Outrageous
October 25, 2019 12:19 am

I saw a group of Israeli girls being rude to non Jewish subway riders, they get to go home but the feelings they leave behind are ours to deal with

Someone needs to stop the madness

Congratulations kol hakavod
October 25, 2019 12:25 am

Well done your reaction!! Wow
Yes, its the right way to show them it should be different. Definitely they should be spoken to about respecting the ppl of ch, who as you say, spend their tishrei serving them! As they very well should to anyone! Plenty education needed…

Education
Reply to  Congratulations kol hakavod
October 25, 2019 9:08 am

“STARTS AT HOME”
From day one consistent followed by example/actions

The schools need to work on this!
October 25, 2019 12:38 am

As a former student of the Israeli system, I really think the schools need to be the ones educating the students on proper conduct before coming here. They have farbys, learn as prep for the Holiness and cheer on all the girls who have the zchus to come and basically make sure they have where to stay and aren’t coming to sleep on the streets.. Not more. What about the craziness that is caused here? Conduct is out the window. This is how many act in school, the mentality is different but it’s not excusable. People don’t go to Europe… Read more »

Education comes from our homes
Reply to  The schools need to work on this!
October 25, 2019 1:17 am

It’s easy to pass the blame on to our school system but I believe that our children’s moral and ethical values come from our own homes.

The American system?
Reply to  Education comes from our homes
October 26, 2019 7:38 pm

I’m talking about the Israeli school system where this is pushed and encouraged. They do put a lot in with prepping the girls spiritually and ensuring they have where to stay. Why would simple conduct of how to act or of town not fit in? I guarantee you that parents don’t really know what goes on and would be surprised. Not all, but many.

Ahavas yisroel
October 25, 2019 12:40 am

How is writing this article practically going to help the situation? I had a overall great experience with israelis, and yes I think Tishrei can be more orderly but it doesn’t need to be crown heightsers vs. israelis, there are plenty of us that are possessive over our places etc. Its not our 770 more than theirs and not theirs more than ours. I don’t know the solution but at least we can all start acting with genuine ahavas yisroel.

Awareness
Reply to  Ahavas yisroel
October 25, 2019 5:32 am

The point of writing this article (as with many other articles) is to raise enough awareness in the community that hopefully at somepoint people will band together and no longer stand for this nonsense. You’re right that it does not need to be CH vs Israelis but that is somewhat the unfortunate reality. And as noted by the author of this article, with every insult or PHYSICAL ABUSE she did respond with ahavas yisroel. I am sorry, but regardless of the mesiras nefesh they take to get to CH, it does not excuse their lack of Ahavas Yisroel

I totally agree!!!!
Reply to  Ahavas yisroel
October 25, 2019 6:03 am

It’s not anyone’s 770. We are all equal there. There should be more of a talk on how to act like a mentch in there, but pushing it’s part of it and it was always like that. The Rebbe once told to one of the bochurim that had to push: zol zain bshaa tova umutzlachas and you should always be squished between chassidim! Maybe we have to be more kind to everyone so everyone will be more kind to us. On a separate note I was there simcha Torah this year and I am sorry but I don’t believe that… Read more »

Not Just...
Reply to  Ahavas yisroel
October 25, 2019 9:11 am

Israelis , how about the rest
French, Russian…

Chinuch
October 25, 2019 12:55 am

the truth is that penning 10000 people in a space that can fit tops 2000 normally will bring our peoples most animal instincts.

The answer is not only to teach kids to act kindly to one and other no matter what, where and when.

we need to create a system for entering the building, like we have at the ohel.

want to daven here? get in before the limit is reached, pay for a seat…. or wait your turn

The rebbes Dream
Reply to  Chinuch
October 25, 2019 11:01 am

how about expanding 770 as the Rebbeh wished and stop petty politics

its embarrassing that 10’s of millions go into Russia to fix our Rabbayim’s derelict abandon former villages in obscure places (not that that is not a proper and noble cause but hat was not the Rebbes focus) how ever the Rebbes Fathers Kolle is in ruins like a CHURBAN BABEIS HAMIKDASH MAMOSH this is a shandeh and a charpuh

get with it

YEAH!
Reply to  The rebbes Dream
October 25, 2019 1:25 pm

beis rabenu shebibavel becomes reality!!!

pushing
October 25, 2019 12:59 am

many times the rebbe reacted sharply against pushing in 770. But now we cant even see the rebbe, so im aghast to hear that some fools are pushing and fighting in 770.

All sides
October 25, 2019 1:07 am

I wonder what the guests would answer.

Maybe someone who came to tishrei can respond to this article

Wow I feel heard by this
October 25, 2019 1:08 am

Thanks so much for writing this. I’m sure many ppl feel the same way but won’t say anything

To "A Crown Heights resident"
October 25, 2019 1:14 am

“What started going through my head was how we welcome them into our community, our homes, our meals, into 770 that we have the whole year and give up for them during Tishrei, yet if G-d forbid we were to be in the section of Israelis they have no problem to get verbal, physical and to steal.” This is what is called “Labeling”, there is always gonna be the few bad apples in every crate, thats life, to start labeling all the Isreali guests as ppl who “have no problem to get verbal, physical and to steal.” is whats completely… Read more »

What A Tzadik
Reply to  To "A Crown Heights resident"
October 25, 2019 9:22 am

You see to have all the answers and act so so perfect your self

There's a point though
Reply to  To "A Crown Heights resident"
October 25, 2019 1:30 pm

There are a bunch of people who all say the same thing that they have a bad experience with a certain group of people. The problem is that these people are here for a trip and might lower their standards of how they may act at home or in school. The other issue is cultural norms, what is normal in one country may not be okay elsewhere. When you come into someone’s community that has expectations of acting a certain way, that needs to be respected. You have a point, but its an epidemic of how badly so many of… Read more »

Thank you
Reply to  To "A Crown Heights resident"
October 26, 2019 10:41 pm

I agree 10000000000%, was thinking of writing a similar comment.
Moshiach now!!!!!!!

Some suggestions
October 25, 2019 1:16 am

The women’s vaad hamisader has put in a workable solution for davening where each section of the shoes is set aside for a particular group. The Israelis get the first shul on Eastern Parkway, the mature older women the second shul etc. For the most part it works well. This system has been in place since the 70’s when it was done for hakofos and it is even being done for Chanukah which is becoming the new Tishrei. Problem is that the set up is only for davening and not nigunim and hakofos. You can’t come early because everything is… Read more »

Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 1:25 am

As a mom of as Israeli girl who just came back from CH, thank you residents! My daughter can’t stop talking about the amazing people who live in the neighborhood and hosted her and her friends countless times with remarkable generosity and hospitality! But to talk about the problem you mentioned, it’s not just 1 issue here, the chuztpa of the Israelis. That is of course, a major problem. Israelis are known to be less polite than americans, that’s a given, and also in translation some of the niceties get lost.But just think if you had travelled to england to… Read more »

Your analogy is off
Reply to  Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 9:24 am

It is tishrei a once a year for both Americans and Israelis. Why should Americans get any less priority in 770?! Are u saying that only Israelis should occupy 770 during tishrei and Americans should stay away?!

Yes
Reply to  Your analogy is off
October 25, 2019 4:52 pm

That’s exactly what people say.
It’s funny, I’ve lived in crown heights my whole life and I’ve never had a chance to properly attend 770 the entire Tishrei. It’s reached a point where I don’t even attempt to try.

I agree
Reply to  Your analogy is off
October 26, 2019 11:01 pm

Using this author’s Mashul, Crown Heightsers are people who live right next to the palace, but when the palace is open and accepting everyone, they’re pushed to the side, and only the people who are coming from far away get a chance to enter. The truth is though that I feel both points of view, and I just wish there didn’t have to be a fight between them. Both views can be right, and truly the only real solution is Moshiach, but meanwhile shouldn’t we be trying to reveal Moshiach faster rather than Chas Veshalom push it away by not… Read more »

Cont
Reply to  Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 11:40 am

While you make a good point and I credit you for trying to see from the other side, I will continue with your analogy. Imagine there’s not much to see year round by the queen, it being quiet and all, her presence barely felt. But then for one week a year there’s a special event by the queen but everyone worldwide wants to come in and see this for themselves. Now the locals don’t event get to enjoy and be involved in this once a year event because of foreigners

You forgot something important, Mom in E. Y.:
Reply to  Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 12:16 pm

It’s one thing to go and claim all the front seats in the women’s section — despite the fact that people paid for those seats. But these milk-crate-brigadeers also raised themselves up using the crates and therefore blocked the view for the people behind them! This is despite the fact that the women’s section is built so that rows of seats behind the front are one step up and then another step up (depending on how far back your seat is), so they even ruined the already limited view for the rows that were not the front rows. This is… Read more »

So don't come
Reply to  Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 4:00 pm

It’s not the Americans issue that you paid to be there. Just because someone paid an airline to come doesn’t give anyone a right to push the residents out. Have mesiras nefesh on your own cheshbon not ours. Until you post me you have no rights me. I have no problem if you enjoy your stay just don’t do it at my expense.

Hello
Reply to  Thank you residents!
October 25, 2019 4:56 pm

What if the local people who live near the queens palace have never seen the Queen during that specific time period because it’s always packed with foreigners and guests? We deserve a chance too, we’re all the same.

Come to the mens section
October 25, 2019 1:38 am

What goes on with the men is ten times worse

american bachur
October 25, 2019 1:40 am

it was shabbos shuva. i went to the bathroom in 770 before mincha. while i was in the bathroom i heard a group of israelis playing some sort of game running around. when i left the stall there were three israeli bachurim who were standing by the entrance to my stall. i walked out completely ignoring them. one of the three pulled my beard. i pulled his back and started walking out. all three of them started ganging up on me and punching me i fought back. they threatened me with some highly inappropriate threats.which i wont elaborate because there… Read more »

Nostalgia
October 25, 2019 1:55 am

I remember my first Tishrei in 770 10 years ago – a foreign bochur (who was a lot smaller than me) tried to physically assault me because I had the audacity to block his view of the Rebbe’s chair (I was pushed Infront of him by the large crowd). As I tried my best to stop him from physically assaulting me , a guy next to me (who appeared to be a local and heard my Aussie accent) sanctiminiously asked me – “is this why you came all this way?”(making me out to be the aggressor because I had the… Read more »

Yesss!!!
October 25, 2019 2:18 am

First of all yes!! This is litterally what I’ve been feeling all Tishrei!!
My 12 year old sister came home from shul saying that she couldnt get her place because an Israeli wouldn’t move.. but then if u dare try to take their place woooo watch out!!
I agree that it shouldn’t be a whole fight… but start treating me like a human being thanks

Respect
October 25, 2019 2:23 am

I passionately disliked Israelis.. till the last day of Yom Tov.. I did a small favor for some girl standing next to me and for the rest of the day till Davening ended at 3:00 she was being really really sweet. Asking me if I wanted to see, If I wanted food that was being passed out etc! I realized one thing that seems to be true. They are intimidated by us.. (if I can use that word) When u respect them, treat them nicely etc then their response will be u know.. respectful. Like you write that u just… Read more »

To the girls telling u to be quiet
October 25, 2019 2:27 am

I’ve been to 770 almost every single tefilla in Tishrei and I can tell u one thing.. they do nottttt stop talking. (I know not all but it’s fair to say most).
I basically could not hear a thing of Hakafos because people would not be quiet! Shushing ppl would just not help.. (till someone just screamed out to be quite lol) gotta be tough sometimes 😉

What about hearing tekios on rosh hashana
Reply to  To the girls telling u to be quiet
October 25, 2019 9:55 am

They do not stop talking so impossible to hear tikios.
Didnt even know when they blew shofar in the kingston shul
When the rebbe was physically present everyone heard tekios as there was respect which no longer exists.
I stay out of 770 tishrei as a result

Hahavat israel
October 25, 2019 2:34 am

The American ladies have the second room for davening , let me tell you when I came to shul a Israeli lady offered me right a way her place . Many of them are so so nice and their hitkashrus to the rabbi is behind it. They collect penny to penny to come here . You should be appreciated all year a round to be in 770 I have a place in 770 for rosh hashana and Yom Kippur . And let girls to be in my place by tkihos and more .so think about that . That you have… Read more »

Yom Kippur Davening, Hakafos
October 25, 2019 2:55 am

I’ve noticed an interesting phenomenon. On Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, when the Americans are the ones with the seats and the Israelis are on the receiving end of their graciousness, the Israelis are often extremely polite and accommodating to gain the favor of the seat owners so that they can join the bench and not get kicked out. Sometimes, they are graciously allowed to stay in, and sometimes they are politely asked to leave. However, what I saw on Yom Kippur during mincha shocked and saddened me. A spacious bench (both wide and deep) had just one of the… Read more »

Naase V'Nishma
Reply to  Yom Kippur Davening, Hakafos
October 25, 2019 12:03 pm

We need to find solutions
“TOGETHER”
TY

To your last line
Reply to  Yom Kippur Davening, Hakafos
October 26, 2019 11:11 pm

” I yearn for a time when it is no longer “us” and “them”, and that we can see the Rebbe with our own eyes with the coming of Moshiach now. ”
I agree very strongly and passionately

Nut Tru at all
October 25, 2019 3:12 am

These hole stories is not true. We are very careful for the schuna of the rebbi.

At 770 we save spots from yerusha from lasts year. It’s big zechut to have spot of 770.

Rebbi always say that jost too look at face of holy rebbi is make the hole world.

This stories here is nut Tru and jost lashon Hara. We are mesirut nefesh for rebbi

Halevai!
Reply to  Nut Tru at all
October 25, 2019 12:25 pm

Please stop acting like an ostrich and remove your head from underground and see the truth.

If only (halevai!) these stories were “nut tru” as you say!

There is also no such thing as “yerusha from lasts [sic.] year” unless you bought the seat, and then that’s not “yerusha.”

People who DO buy seats are more than generous in sharing with the orchim, but that doesn’t create a “yerusha” from the previous year! Chas veshalom!

NUT IS A VERY TRUE DESCRIPTION
Reply to  Nut Tru at all
October 25, 2019 1:11 pm

YERUSHA YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET FROM YOU ANCESTORS.
IN 770 ITS FIRST COME FIRST PLACE.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO LOOK AT THE REBBE YOU WILL BEHAVE THAT WAY.
THE STORIES ARE TOO TRUE AND IT IS TIME TO LEARN TO BEHAVE RESPECTFULLY IN THE REBBBE’S 770!!!!!!

That's the problem
Reply to  Nut Tru at all
October 25, 2019 1:36 pm

It isn’t your spot to save. There are bochrim that learn in 770 that have saved spots. You don’t have spot in a public place because you decided. If you pay for a spot, that’s one thing.

generalization
October 25, 2019 3:55 am

Sorry about your bad experience. Not all Israeli girls are like that and not all American girls are perfect.
770 doesn’t belong to ch people.
It’s the rebbes shul and belongs to every Jew equally.
Just imagine tishrei without the israelis.. The fabrengen without them.
I don’t think their behavior was nice, but the hate I see to all israelis in the comments show something.

Ahavas Yisrael is the key word
October 25, 2019 4:19 am

Actually I met Israelis in Tishrei which were so nice that they shared with me their seats and helped me get a better spot for seder niggunim. We kept in touch!! For two years we met in 770. Now we are b.h. married and with kids. We actually made a friendship which turned out to help me as I moved to Eretz Yisroel! I believe it takes two to fight and if both sides showed real ahavas yisrael meaning if you came and rotated with the ten girls every. Half hour plenty of people would get to see. Think if… Read more »

Mashpia
Reply to  Ahavas Yisrael is the key word
October 25, 2019 11:04 am

view of what?

French
October 25, 2019 5:56 am

I had a terrible experience with the French girls . I begged to see for ten minutes they wouldn’t budge and laughed in my face . At least the Israeli girls had a heart and shared when I asked . if you ask them for turns they mostly are happy to comply . The French women mouthed offf too when I asked to take turns

Tzarfatim - French
October 25, 2019 6:05 am

Try going into the wrong section of banot tzarfatit. At least the Israeli girls are learned and will move when you ask. I did not have a good experience with French .but where is the section for young newly weds of crown heights ? For junior nshei? There was none . There needs to be a better system . Most orchim don’t act the way they did to you. Sorry you had that experience. We need a better system

There is a section
Reply to  Tzarfatim - French
October 25, 2019 8:36 am

3rd shul of Eastern Pkwy is for post sem and junior neshei.. it happens to be very officially organized but no one really keeps to it.. I thought there was no section for HS’s of CH but I realized that there is

But
Reply to  There is a section
October 25, 2019 8:37 am

Its filled with a ton of other ppl lol

אנשי השכונה היקרים
October 25, 2019 6:27 am

אתם מדהימים באמת, הכנסת האורחים שלכם והלב הרחב שלכם זה באמת מעל לכל דמיון, ולא רק בתשרי, כל השנה אתם עסוקים בלארח את אורחי המלך (תשרי, שבתון לסטודנטים, חנוכה, שבת cteen ועוד ) 770 הוא של כולם, כן גם שלכם (אולי אפילו בעיקר). ההתנהגות הזו אינה רק כלפיכם, גם כלפי ישראלים נוספים אפשר לראות אותה והיא לא נובעת משנאה אלא מאהבה עצמית-אגוצנטריות. ונכון דווקא אצל הרבי יש צורך להסתכל יותר ולהוסיף באהבת ישראל. אבל משהו שחשוב לציין, שלעמוד ולהסתכל ב770 על ההתנהגות של כולם (הרצון לראות כבר את הרבי ולפעמים זה לא בהתנהגות הראויה אולי), בטוח שרבי לוי יצחק מברדיטשוב… Read more »

Thanks for the article
October 25, 2019 7:25 am

I see nothing’s changed since 1984. Definitely something needs to be done to teach these girls how to behave in a more mentcshlik manner

Agree
October 25, 2019 8:00 am

Milk crates should not be allowed in 770. And anyone who lays a finger on another in aggression should be escorted out by security personnel.

Get security personnel
Reply to  Agree
October 26, 2019 10:23 pm

There is a dangerous situation created by overcrowding, blocking exits and aisles and foreign objects brought into 770. Just think if G-D forbid, an emergency evacuation was necessary. I left several years ago because I wanted to spend my time davening, not trying to discipline. The gabboyim should have female private security and when seats are filled, and a reasonable amount of SRO space is filled, no one else should be allowed inside.

Free for all and beyond
October 25, 2019 8:22 am

Enough of noone in charge and one massive free for all. Why are all the crates allowed at Simchas Beis? It’s really a deterrent to go knowing that the main area is blocked 10 feet high. Then the crates , especially this year, proceeded to 770 for the last 2 days of Yom Tov. I went to 770 to find crates chained to the benches in the womens Union Street shul. Girls slept in all the women’s sections the night of simchas Torah to save places. When I went to Kingston early Simchas Torah morning, 1 or 2 girls had… Read more »

Talk about Ahavas Yisroel
October 25, 2019 8:30 am

Amazing how everyone here is listening to individuals’ stories and making as if it’s everyone. This is so sad and it looks like your ahavas yisroel is just as lacking. 2 years ago was the first time I had the opportunity to bring my daughter to 770 for Succos. She wanted to see so badly. I went into a section that was all French. I told them this was her first time and she really wanted to see. They literally let her walk across their laps and passed her until she was in a good spot. I’ve experienced the opposite… Read more »

Life is a 2 way street!
October 25, 2019 8:32 am

When American girls happily spend $15000 or more on tuition + extras for a year of seminary in Israel. Israeli families happily reciprocate your hospitality for Shabbosim, we have tiny 3 bedroom 100 sq meter apartments for our large families, our children sleep on the couch or neighbors to make you comfortable, and the girls who come with strange friends act superior rude unpolite, an attitude of “si kumpt zei”. Maybe think about this. As a European who lives now in Israel i am familiar with both sides. In most cases these boys / girls work hard all year in… Read more »

Israeli
October 25, 2019 8:55 am

Have you ever seen the behavior of American yeshiva students and seminary girls who come to spend a year in Israel ???
They walk around Jerusalem bnei brak tzfat or kfar chabad as if in their backyard, rattling screams without basic courtesy

Have you ever seen how they drive wild rental cars?

Have you heard about the suffering of the residents of the Chabad neighborhood in tzfat of the seminary students? They are, by the way, hosting them for Shabbat and holidays meals

So Teens are such everywhere

Teens need to have organized program here
Reply to  Israeli
October 25, 2019 9:48 am

All Orhim must have an organized program with scheduled lectures from all our lectors, scheduled meals and even trips. Only good it will bring to all, we will benefit from this Seder.
Rotation of places every 15 minutes is a good solution I guess

Morrisjo
Reply to  Israeli
October 25, 2019 9:57 am

We all work to make money. At least they use it to come to the Rebbe.
When my children open their houses for orchim and my grandchildren give their bed, That’s also a BIG mesirus nefesh.
BUT certain guests take it for granted. They forget that some families work and they still have to borrow money to host them, feed them.
Where is the Akaras hatoiv? Crown Heights host people doesn’t mean they have go give up to everything. Tishri is once a year for EVERY YID, NOT ONLY ISRAELIS OR FRENCHIS

That's one of the most important points
Reply to  Morrisjo
October 25, 2019 1:07 pm

Tishrei is once for everyone even Americans!!!!

hostess are amazing sacrificing ladies
Reply to  Morrisjo
October 25, 2019 4:53 pm

All guests are happy to be at someone’s table. BH Rubashkin is feeding all who don’t have a family to eat or stay by. To keep 770 available to all, Gabais must set rules! Only positive way to all use the first row is a solid rotation of all people there. Crates are dangerous, this year was fire 🔥 there too….. all are not perfect- don’t buy seats – make open place with limited time per each seat /space for all who are willing to come I’m living here but not going to 770 we have tons of local Shuls… Read more »

Excuse me
Reply to  Israeli
October 25, 2019 5:09 pm

My daughter is in tzfat for a 2nd year and I am sure she does not act that way bec. If she would, same 5 families would not have invited her back tens of times

whats the point?
October 25, 2019 9:17 am

While I empathize and validate your feelings, I do wonder if there is any benefit in publishing this message here.
I think it will only stoke the coals of animosity towards the Israeli Tishrei guests!

Orhim bring Simha to our neighborhood
October 25, 2019 9:31 am

Let’s be honest that Orhim bring Simha to CH and parnosa to local businesses that support our neighborhood, and our yeshivos. Yes not all of them are perfect but to make all organize someone need to cater for these girls full Educational programs during YomTovs and full meals as well. Many of these girls don’t have place to eat meals, except Rubashkin Sukkah, means they never went to see a warm CH family that they can observe, learn something new and take with them to start their own families. I don’t think any of them is rude, or hutzpah they… Read more »

interesting
Reply to  Orhim bring Simha to our neighborhood
October 27, 2019 1:24 am

the way this is written tells me you are not a native english speaker..I’m guessing you are Israeli?

Build now
October 25, 2019 9:34 am

If 770 Would build Out till Union Street up to included the collel Build up three floors for a ladies section that would help a lot but nobody seems to be able to take the bull by the horns and do what’s right for the situation

Security
October 25, 2019 9:40 am

While we are on the subject, I know Hashem watches over us, and 770 has special brochos, but al pi teva, 770 is definitely a place that qualifies for tight security 24 hours a day, especially in Tishrei and on Shabbos. Isnt there a way to get federal or state government funding for high level security?

Do y’all dare...
October 25, 2019 9:51 am

I wish you could see the bigger picture where you’re literally forced into a physical confrontation over the scraps of space offered to women to watch all the action in a much larger space for men. We should be building up separate services where women dance and experience first hand simcha themselves.

We all know
October 25, 2019 10:01 am

No matter how much you build here it will never satisfy the demand. The real solution is to have the Beis Hamikdash!!

The People Incharged
Reply to  We all know
October 25, 2019 12:16 pm

Have the responsibility/obligation/
responsability… to address the problem and it should be a Main Priority all year round.
No More Excuses or hiding from it
by not acting accordingly they are causing/setting up the stage for all that is taking place.
The Focus is SHALOM

YES
Reply to  We all know
October 26, 2019 11:24 pm

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT! THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID! I AGREE COMPLETELY 10000000000000000000000000%! THAT REALLY IS THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION!!!

JFYI
October 25, 2019 10:12 am

Due to the ongoing unfortunate situation in the 770 main Shul downstairs ,most Anash and Yungaleit, residents of Crown Heights – Do not Daven in 770 all year round – not only on Tishrei. This is the fact.

And now I understand
Reply to  JFYI
October 25, 2019 10:45 am

And now I finally understand why they don’t.

On a separate note I happen to know that the chabad chinuch system in Israel is a little messed up. Mechanchim pretty much pushing the culture of Israelis which is by large to be rude.

It comes from somewhere. Like someone said above. There are people back home to who are advising them to act like this.

I will personally make sure this doesnt continue to happen. Its out of control.

Really??
Reply to  JFYI
October 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Well seems like you haven’t been there in a while, as 770 is full of Anash, Yungaleit and bocherim, yes there are a lot that don’t, as they go to their “class shul” or somewhere where it’s more comfortable, but to say that most don’t go to 770 is not true.

is kinda true
Reply to  Really??
October 27, 2019 1:09 am

when I spent my first shabbos in CH in 1996(!) as a bochur, I stayed by a family and wondered why we didn’t go to 770 for any minyanim on shabbos, and had to find out for myself how indifferent and cruel some strangers can be to those they dont know and as a result could care less for. I’m just glad they are not shluchim.

Anonymous
October 25, 2019 11:31 am

By just talking about this is a whole lot of lashon hara and all this might’ve happened as a test so you won’t speak lashon hara. Not judging I sorta had the same incident myself where at a certain point when I was waiting on line to kiss the rebbes Sefer Torah. There were many Israel’s standing on top of our heads if you don’t remember. There was an older man that asked them nicely to step down because they were getting drinks spill on everyone below. Anyway the Isreal being much younger than this man decides to have the… Read more »

Grateful we left
October 25, 2019 11:50 am

I was knocked down and trampled on by both Israelis and French girls who wanted to rush to their seats after yizkor. Saved from serious injury by great crown heights girls. Who cares, if they save all year to come. Gives them no rights at all. They should stay home until they learn manners. Yup. We left

First year CH resident
October 25, 2019 12:08 pm

B”H I want to say that Im a shy,not pushy person and it was my first tishrei here. Not only I saw tons of achavas isroel in 770- girls on purpose took many bottles of water and food to give out to other random people around them, people were apologizing sincerely for pushing by mistake, asked girls/women if they’re feeling ok or needed a seat. Someone offered me to go see a little in front row because Im short and couldnt see anything,in 3 shul people were making sure that everyone saw the farbrengen at least for a few minutes… Read more »

n'eNOW!!!
Reply to  First year CH resident
October 26, 2019 11:27 pm

I had the same experience. Thank you. 😉

Disappointed 😔
October 25, 2019 12:11 pm

There is no excuse for this mean behavior!!

The men’s section
October 25, 2019 12:20 pm

I am a girl who fought with all the Israelis and pushed my way to the front during hakafos. While I was looking over at the beautiful view I also happened to see alottt of fighting between the boys.

its NY afterall
Reply to  The men’s section
October 27, 2019 1:02 am

can’t we all just get abong?

the good and the not-ok
October 25, 2019 12:49 pm

bs”d It’s so beautiful to have orchim here in the Rebbe’s Schuna, during Tishrei and year round. It helps to remind us about how lucky we are to live in the daled amos of the Rebbe and adds a beautiful chayus to our community. So many, from so many backgrounds, come here to recharge and be inspired and the effects are real and everlasting. It is simply NOT! OK though when some of these guests, especially during Tishrei and Chanuka, come here and act in a very self-centered way, (if they realize it or not). For years and years women… Read more »

I came late
October 25, 2019 12:55 pm

I came later on, when most of the Israeli girls had gone home after a long day of hakafos. Because the crowds were smaller then, I managed to get a decent spot, two rows back, and stood watching the scene. There was an area where I could put one foot and be able to see even closer, but I waited ten min to make sure that the spot didn’t belong to anyone else. It didn’t. As soon as I put my foot on though, a girl pushed it away and basically said it’s hers. I said you were standing here… Read more »

this is why
October 25, 2019 12:59 pm

Sadly to say, THIS is why I do not walk into 770 anymore!

Conclusion is...
October 25, 2019 1:20 pm

I think most people agree that everyone should be having a little more Ahavas Yisroel. Both ways, Americans towards Israelis and vice versa AND that somethings gotta change with the way some people act.

(Personally I think some Israelis have a lot to work on.. I agree with all of you. But some of us do to…)

Milk Crates
October 25, 2019 1:32 pm

Is there a way to ban milk crates from 770 and Simchas Beis?

it's a chinuch issue
October 25, 2019 3:04 pm

the next thing Tzivos Hashem needs to do is have all their campaigns, Chidon, Connection Point for Hebrew and French and that will go a long way in changing behavior and attitudes

Not so sure
Reply to  it's a chinuch issue
October 25, 2019 4:02 pm
also true but
Reply to  Not so sure
October 29, 2019 7:37 pm

there will always be uncomfortable situations in life and it takes good chinuch to be able to deal with them. Without good chinuch, even the largest space will be a source of fighting

Slightly Confusing Hiskashrus
October 25, 2019 3:50 pm

Far be it from me to judge the level of hiskashrus of people who sacrifice alot to travel and be by the Rebbe for tishrei. However, by kol nidrei erev Yom Kippur, I was apparently standing in a spot that “belonged” to someone. Seeing as it was all the way against a table at the front of the ‘washing-machine’, which by the time he got there was already full, there was physically no way for me to give it up to him. This however didn’t stop him and his friends from trying to pull, push, squeeze me out of there.… Read more »

I get it
October 25, 2019 4:14 pm

I understand that there’s a real issue there. Just kinda painful that this is becoming a big focus right after uplifting, growth oriented tishrei. Full of anger and “them versus us”. Be careful what you say.

770
October 25, 2019 4:15 pm

am an American girl this year is the first time I decided to go to 770 for tishrei and when I was speaking to an Israeli girl and I said this is my first time here on yom tov , she was shocked in all ways. then came the way if there is place for everyone and this is exactly what I responded to her + more things amonge other comments

Ad Mosai! Moshiach now!!
October 25, 2019 4:15 pm

Ad Mosai! Moshiach now!!

One question
October 25, 2019 4:52 pm

What exactly are they fighting to see?
If you want to spend simchas Torah by the rebbe, go to the ohel!

One question for u
Reply to  One question
October 26, 2019 7:22 pm

And what makes davening by the Ohel any different then 770…
770 is actually where the Rebbe always davened if u cant remember

Mesiras Nefesh
October 25, 2019 4:55 pm

If you want to have Mesiras Nefesh and actually do what the rebbe wants and therefore be closer to him, do not be rude or obnoxious. A Jew from israel has the same rights to “see” no more or less then a Jew from America. I do not understand what ppl are looking at and pushing for. If it’s bec I came from israel then it’s all about you and not the rebbe if you think the rebbe wants ppl to push and be violent the rebbe would rather you stay in israel and use your money to help other… Read more »

American / Israeli Chossid
October 25, 2019 5:00 pm

1000% percent accurate and couldnt disagree more! But wait ladies, hold on to your seats! Have you ladies have any ideas of what happens in the men’s section? Wow- you ladies haven’t experienced anything yet, opposed to what all the Israelis in the mens section with the waste and destruction! can I please be featured on a new article about the men’s section on 770? I bet everyone will love to read it 😀 shabbas shalom

Hello
October 25, 2019 5:01 pm

All things considered, let’s discuss how 770 is pretty much the only Shul for single girls in Crown Heights.

Expand
Reply to  Hello
October 26, 2019 8:17 pm

That’s the only solution

The Rebbe’s Will!
October 25, 2019 5:39 pm

The Rebbe wanted to expand 770!
Nu what are we waiting for!
Petty politics!
Moshaich now!

Expand
Reply to  The Rebbe’s Will!
October 26, 2019 11:37 pm

Okay, sure, no problem! Let’s put all these arguments aside, behave B’achdus, and bring/reveal Moshiach right now! That’s the only realistic way to go about it, and I’m hoping that it gets done very soon – preferably now.

can't get better if you dont know you are sick
Reply to  Expand
November 3, 2019 8:38 am

in order to confront and fix a problem, it needs to be acknowledged first. now that we know what some of the issues may be, we can address them. only then, through the fixing can we merit good things.

You see only half of the picture
October 26, 2019 11:22 am

This is not the whole story that you know (excuse my English I’m not American) but these girls was in the 770the whole day in order to have this place. Many ofthem came at 7 inthe morning and sat there for the whole day till the farbrengen. they made turns with their friends to go eat and sleep. So now imagine what these girls feels when they put so much effort to sit there and someone comes 2 hours before (in order to have a good place in 770 on simchat Torah it’s not early )and take their place ?for… Read more »

Reserving
Reply to  You see only half of the picture
October 27, 2019 3:32 am

…You can reserve a place for ten minutes if someone has to
leave and not more. You have no right to take up places all day long because you have nothing else to do with your time! Tishrei
is for Crown Heighters too!!! Those who prepare, serve, and clean up after the guests have no time to sit in 770 all day.
They do have the right to come to 770 when they are ready and not be greeted by the chutzpadike greeting מקום תפוס .

The other side of the coin
October 26, 2019 6:07 pm

For years I came to 770 as a girl from Israel and kept places for hours and days and even slept in 770 to save space in the passage between the benches (!) For Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Try to understand people who do not eat and sleep properly and who have to stand for a whole day on their feet, all prayers, with great density. Today, when I come with my children and have to pay for a full year for the travel and related expenses of renting a place (very expensive and the profit is yours! And… Read more »

LM of Crown Heights
October 26, 2019 8:39 pm

the Israeli girls and the French women have been acting like this for more than 40 years. years that i could not get in to see the Rebbes Hakofos which happened ONLY ONCE A YEAR, but these “guests” felt only they were entitled

Cant just expand and....
October 26, 2019 10:40 pm

1-for all those who are saying to expand 770…where do u plan to expand
2-unless someone takes action it wont help if every1 says something needs to be done
3-i totally give these pp credit for scraping up pennies to come but that absolutely does not exuse this behavior

The general attitude here is so sad
October 27, 2019 12:01 am

Reading the comments, the whole Us vs Them is terrible.

You pack a lot of people into a small space, with different backgrounds, etc, there will be some tension.

But then to go into a whole Us vs Them bashing game is just so sad… It is so childish and so opposite of everything Chassidus stands for!!!

obviously there are problems
Reply to  The general attitude here is so sad
October 29, 2019 7:44 pm

The problem is real, people felt they had to vent. So the real question is how do we solve them so it doesn’t happen again?

Thank you for writing this
October 27, 2019 12:36 am

Unfortunately, this resonates well. What the author has written is just a drop in the bucket of the many problems involved in Tishrei with the Rebbe. It’s hard for me to understand how people who value the Rebbe and 770 so much, to a point that they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to fly in for a couple of weeks to be here, don’t treat 770 with the respect it deserves. How can it be that someone who is so special and who wants to see the Rebbe’s every moevement during Tishrei, especially at a time when we… Read more »

BTDT
October 27, 2019 3:43 am

Before Gimmel Tammuz ( yes I am not a teenager) I experienced the same thing- i was pushed over, my sheitel was yanked off my head and I was told *I* was stopping Moshiach from coming because I wanted to see and had been there since 7:00 am. I never went back to 770. Unfortunately, Israeli guests are rude, demanding, arrogant and overall, horrible. So you saved up the fare to come? How much did you give your hosts for a month’s full board? Did you help? Or were you too busy shopping in Century 21 & Macy’s? Even those… Read more »

take an example from the poilishers
October 27, 2019 9:19 am

they put in bleachers (parenches) so that everyone can see. even in the woman’s section sometimes). in the womans section where there is less room, make shifts and distribute tickets (red tickets for the first hour and a helf, blue for the next hour, etc). red for bachurot and blue for married ladies.

in many chassidishe shuls, it gets very shtipped and there are more people than in 770 sometime. this is what they do and it works!

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