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I'm curious to know..
January 22, 2018 12:54 pm

..is there any Lubavitch school that teaches all day Koresh studies in a language that the students speak? That is the only education that the Rebbe has enforced and yet I have not heard of a single school that does that (aside from in E.Y.)

To 35
January 21, 2018 10:38 pm

Your idea would be correct if the U.S. was democracy, but it isn’t, its Republic.
As John Adams (Second president) said, “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.”

at some point...
January 21, 2018 6:28 pm

all the basic information needed for our boys to function in a western society can be mastered in a minute fraction of the time they’d be forced to spend on it if folks like #29 had their way. as a matter of fact, the girls’ schools condense the required secular curriculum into a mere 3 hours a day vs. the public schools’ 6 hours a day, yet they come away with similar knowledge. believe me, except for passing nys regents you could leave out most of the math, science, and history curriculum and still be a highly intelligent, totally functional… Read more »

AMEI HARTZIM
January 21, 2018 5:08 pm

SAD REALITY CHECK: 95% OF STUDENTS IN OUR SYSTEM DONT COME OUT NEITHER TALMIDEI CHACHMIM NOR PROFESSIONALY PREPARED TO EARN PARNUSSE.

big government
January 21, 2018 1:48 pm

The state courts are going to rule against us, we will probably have to go to federal judges for this one.

Just a hunch.

to 29#
January 21, 2018 10:28 am

Re point on gpvernment providing funds to privite schools, while they provide their services. Your comparison to Mass transit actually refutes your point. The price keeps on going up, while they keep on asking the state government for more money. they are corrupt as anything, and money is bleeding, while service is terrible. In general capitalist societies have come to the conclusion, that the more the government is left out of the actual management of such things, the better. Re your point on property taxes. You are very “krum”. You your self admit that one can attempt to change public… Read more »

A shorter restatement of #29
January 21, 2018 7:25 am

“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” -B. Mussolini

a far greater danger
January 21, 2018 4:37 am

Out there in the secular world it is now mandatory to teach children from a very young age that activities prohibited by our holy Torah are acceptable and deserving of encouragement. In England a Vishnitz girls’ school (students aged 3 to 8) and a Bobover girls’ school have both been cited for failure to teach this point of view and authorities are trying to shut them down. Here is a news article about this: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/orthodox-jewish-girls-school-faces-closure-for-refusing-to-teach-children-about-homosexuality quote: “[A] report by the Office for Standards in Education, Children’s Services and Schools (Ofsted) says that the Vishnitz Girls School does not teach its… Read more »

From comment number three
January 21, 2018 3:05 am

Let me put it this way then..If the State of Israel only taught a minimum of seculer subjects to all Israeli children, how would the Country function.

We have so much to be proud of
January 21, 2018 1:44 am

Just returned from a Melave Malka event in our sons’s community two hours from Crown Heights. Our son is is an Oholei Torah graduate. All of the sophisticated high profile community members were singing the praises of how wise, intelligent, and Knowledgeable etc. etc. their Rabbi is and what a difference he makes In their lives…We have many many many successful Talmidim with our system. Our rabbeim had the vision of what it takes to raise chassidishe children and impact the world. Yes, there are the zevuluns too we are raising but for the core foundation of a child’s life… Read more »

To #29
January 21, 2018 12:53 am

What do you say about the post made by #22?

Best news I've read in a while
January 21, 2018 12:16 am

The right for parents to educate their child as they see fit is not unlimited. Society has the right to ensure that certain basics get taught to all its citizens. So if a parent wants to educate his child differently than what public schools offer he can, but only if in ADDITION to what public schools teach. Reading and writing and mathematics used in the society must be taught in private schools as well. This is not news. Creating laws to enforce this is a new wrinkle, and I welcome it. Schick’s point about this increasing cost seems lame to… Read more »

All children deserve the chance of success
January 20, 2018 11:48 pm

Unfortunately not all children are made to be shluchim. Our children need to have the potential for success and to be able to function in a role other than Rabbi. Basic secular studies would even benefit Rabbis. I am sure that majority of shluchim that had some amount of secular studies are thankful for having learned the basics.

To #24
January 20, 2018 10:52 pm

How many srudents in elementary school need to know skills for earning a living? A strong Jewish education is what students need for the survival of the Jewish people and to help bring Moshiach. Most secular subjects taught in high school or college do not pertain to the career in which one will be working. If one is concerned about students not learning English, science, or math, then why not let the status quo continue of students learning those subjects after school? There might be a need after high school for better vocational schools in the Jewish communities. The main… Read more »

Berel
January 20, 2018 10:43 pm

I would never have guessed how many misyavnim we have among us.

#18, well said
January 20, 2018 10:11 pm

You should expand your comments into another op-ed piece.

Baruch Hashem!
January 20, 2018 10:00 pm

So glad the state is finally forcing the frum world to get its act together. This has nothing to do with trying to control religious-moral education. It has to do with providing skills for (perfectly religious) children to become financially independent and productive citizens who contribute to society rather than being parasites of the state. So many yeshivos have already figured out how to raise well educated and completely committed Jewish children and adults. Its time to finish the job. Enough with the nonsense!

Stop Taking Our Property Taxes
January 20, 2018 9:57 pm

The Gov’t forces the Jewish community to pay property tax even though we don’t use their schools. If we don’t use their schools, we should be exempt from the property tax, otherwise, it is theft.

To #3
January 20, 2018 9:47 pm

There was a Vishnitz girls school in London that almost closed for refusing to teach about LGBT rights and gender orientation. If they are allowed to take control of our schools, it’s only a matter of time…

Grateful We left
January 20, 2018 9:32 pm

I heard Alan Dershowitz speak years ago to administrators and principals of yeshivas. Said don’t take money from the government. Fundraise for your schools. When you take money from anyone, they assume they can tell you what to do. I agree we have the right to money for books that they would have to supply anyway. I think we have an obligation to teach skills that are needed for life but not waste time on unnecessary subjects. Too many young men drop out of system that let them down. A gemorra head can learn anything in a fraction of time.

The Frierdiker Rebbe
January 20, 2018 9:27 pm

went on Mesiras Nefesh to stop forced learning of Chochmas Chitzoiniim

613
January 20, 2018 9:21 pm

Great point #14, all is made by Hashem and should be learned together, when you separated them you made a mistake, just learn these kosher way as Satmars do nowadays and also many other frum schools around the world. Rabbi Belsky z»l even approved how to learn science, we are so lucky to have frum teachers just need to teach them how to teach these subjects in kosher way

Everything I know I definitely didn’t learn in school
January 20, 2018 9:20 pm

I’m public school educated. I assure you my kids are getting an infinitely better education in their frum schools then I ever had. They can read and write in 2 languages from a young age, they are taught critical thinking skills from a young age and encouraged to extrapolate and innovate ideas. They’re also in gender segregated classrooms so they don’t have the stress or distraction that brings to the table, and they can shine in the subjects they enjoy without the pressure to conform to or break out of gender stereotypes. I wouldn’t switch them to public schools if… Read more »

Upside Down
January 20, 2018 9:18 pm

It’s an upside down world when the morally bankrupt secular world wants to tell Torah Institutions how to “educate” children.

all CH zipcod has F graded schools so how the public school is better
January 20, 2018 8:59 pm

in our zip code 11213 or 11225 all public schools are low graded ,their students failed in regions /city tests ,so the state wants our kids to improve the secular level by forcing Jewish kids to go to the public school or by participating in city tests so our zip codes will have better educational levels and we are parents who paying for this .
if the state wants my school to be public can they pay $14,000-20,000 so i can do both religious and secular and help our zip codes to be the best ,so all win win

To #3
January 20, 2018 8:48 pm

Our country is functioning? Isn’t there something in the news about a government shutdown?

DG770
January 20, 2018 8:41 pm

There is no such thing as “secular” studies. Everything has to do with Torah, even math and science.

J J
January 20, 2018 8:29 pm

U r all missing the main point

What is our holy rebbe saying about limudai choll?

sounds like Communist Russia
January 20, 2018 8:25 pm

This sounds like communism.

Heshy
January 20, 2018 7:31 pm

First of all our Torah has plenty of math throughout the Gemorrah. The orthodox community is doing fine.

umm
January 20, 2018 7:26 pm

A. The premise of this article is incorrect. It assumes, that the government should not pay for the the secular education of private schools, and claims it is unconstitutional, unless the government legislates the way the school functions. This claim is debatable at best, and undercuts the entire idea of school choice. Luckily a few states like florida, wisconson and indiana, do not agree with this author. Hopefully others will follow (though we have to wait for the teachers unions to go under). B. there are plenty of private schools which have a high level of secular department. Is the… Read more »

Too late
January 20, 2018 7:18 pm

Damage done already we have a generation that can’t make a living

To #1
January 20, 2018 6:52 pm

You have lern secular subjects or else you won’t be able to do any jobs

Frum schools
January 20, 2018 5:41 pm

You send your child to a frum school and teach them basic math and reading skills on the side I guarantee you they will be more literate knowledgeable and successful in business than the average public school student !

To #3
January 20, 2018 5:38 pm

Everyone has a right to choose what kind of education they want as also the education in public government controlled schools is so terrible that the students in frum schools who learn some English on the side know how to read and do math and business better than the majority of public schools students

To 3
January 20, 2018 5:37 pm

The Orthodox Jewish community does pretty well without teaching the subjects you mentioned to their children at a young age.

To #3
January 20, 2018 5:35 pm

Dude really? You donג€™t think schools should teach medicin, so who will be out doctors? The answer is obvious and twofold: a) every child doesnג€™t have to master every subject. And b) if the child does with to become a doctor he or she can study that field later on in life. Our children will not become mathematicians Baden on our education. Granted. But they might excel in other areas. (And by the way, the average frum family earns more than the average American. There is no correlation between education and financial success) And finally, even if you are correct… Read more »

To number one comment
January 20, 2018 5:18 pm

You dont want children to learn English, Maths, Science, Art and Design, Computing, Design and Technology, Geography, History, Languages, Music, Physical Education. Please explain how a Country would function if our children did not study secular subjects!!

Concerned
January 19, 2018 3:11 pm

Unfortunately, there is a group of folks who have presented at open forI’m meetings called the panel for educational council meetings where the Chancellor is there and they have highly criticized publicly what is going on in the frum schools that their children attend in borouh park or Williamsburg. they have stated how the quality of secular ed is poor and that it is unacceptable that DOE does not intervene. It is highly distressing that these people choose to send their children to the schools and then criticize them. If they have no interest in the curriculum that is set… Read more »

sorry to say...
January 19, 2018 12:19 pm

there are frum jews, even ‘chassidim’ who approve of this. They’ll be happy to get govt money and have secular subjects permeate our system. Galus….

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