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Parent Writes: Must Chidon Go Over the Top?

A parent and Shliach writes to COLlive.com about remembering the new sensation that was introduced during his childhood, but wonders if the current Chidon competition is going over the top. Full Story

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The rebbe said
February 9, 2023 10:03 pm

That TH should not charge the kids.
For years there were no fees for any programs TH did!
Today if a child does not pay the registration fee they cannot be part of The chidon.

February 9, 2023 10:06 pm

Moshiach now

We’ve had 10 opinions published aleady
February 9, 2023 10:28 pm

And not a single name.

This cowardice — the inability to speak freely — and lack of courage is perhaps the biggest contributor in the perpetuation of this divide between parents’ actual expectations and how they’re perceived by those in charge.

It follows then that debating this with mutual respect, and with our real names, would go a long way toward bridging that gap.

Afterall, these programs exist to service children and their parents, so the more parents are comfortable expressing themselves the more likely things are to be aligned.

Good Shabbos.
Another A. Non Jr.

Reply to  We’ve had 10 opinions published aleady
February 10, 2023 1:03 am

Just waiting for the charidy campaign to launch. Brilliant marketing.

Oversight committee at your chabad house?
February 9, 2023 10:33 pm

Before giving advice to others,
Do you have a oversight committee agreeing to everything you spend

Suddenly everyone became the biggest maivin for TH!


Unfortunately they see the world out there
Giving the kids of today’s generation an incredible time because of Torah is a very positive way of making yiddishkeit, learning Torah, and connecting to the Rebbe the thing to do!

February 9, 2023 10:34 pm

Chidon is an amazing project, I saw all my kids grow tremendously by doing Chidon and I think that’s what kept them from going off the derech, this suppen attack on Chidon is unprecedented, and very wrong

Now you're talking
February 9, 2023 10:40 pm

Well said, better explained than previous articles

Well put
February 9, 2023 10:44 pm

Very well said by someone who understands the workings of children. Crown heights is not a particularly wealthy community and most of its children do not have to be “wowed” in these extravagant ways.
And as you pointed out, getting something like a soda or donut at school is very exciting!! I remember being in high school, so excited to win a donut and it wasn’t because I was destitute bh.

The orange drink!
February 9, 2023 10:45 pm

Oh yes, that brings back childhood memories. That neon orange and that sweet orange flavor… Oh how exciting those drinks were!

February 9, 2023 11:03 pm

Last year only the 8th grade participants who got 70 percent on the book AND the Kol Hatorh Kula get to go on a 3-day NY trip for $250. all of the younger grades, at least where I live got a local trip from 11 am until 10 pm for $200. Super overpriced for the local trips!

Your math is off
February 10, 2023 10:20 am

You are not paying 200 for trips (face palm)

KHK 3 day trip is 250, without the prizes.

Regular chidon is 200, with prizes (and trips)

And that’s not including the computer system, the audio lessons, the judges who make the tests, the learning, the awards, the rewards etc..

February 9, 2023 11:09 pm

Thank you for sharing your memories of how Tzivos Hashem was established and the major changes it brought along with it. I was born in 1980 so Tz’H was always part of my life. It’s interesting that by gatherings the Rebbe would give kids money (I believe it was usually three dimes two for tzadaka and one for you to do whatever you want with!) Now kids are passively aggressively encouraged and almost guilted to fundraise for the organization. (You need to pay $250 but the real cost is $500 do whatever you can to fundraiser pay more) Thay also… Read more »

Love your writing
Reply to  Agreed
February 10, 2023 12:08 am

@agreed. Love your writing style. Please give us more

Enough already
February 10, 2023 12:51 am

Have we not had enough op-Ed’s trashing chidon already. Not every opinion needs a whole article. I’ve seen plenty of comments already similar to yours.

Now I’m looking forward to seeing some beautiful op-Ed’s praising chidon and its tremendous positive impact it has made on their children and family.

Excess is unfortunately normal
February 10, 2023 2:10 am

Yes, Chidon is excessive. Yes, everything was much simpler when we were children. But things have changed and this is the standard our kids are used to. My child is constantly showered with prizes, trips, rewards etc. There are trips for boys who attend Sunday cheder regularly, pizza parties in class for those who daven with kavonah and so many prizes. My son has brought home fidget toys, puzzles, games, toy cars, slime, magic sand etc that he won as a prize in class. Yes, I don’t need all this junk, and neither does he. My house is bursting at… Read more »

Math Time
February 10, 2023 2:47 am

I don’t understand the post, and it makes no sense to me. Let’s do some math: Benching in camp takes 5 minutes = can of soda = $0.75. Which means that one hour is worth $9 (12x 5 minutes = 60 minutes. 12x 0.75 =$9) Your child spent on Chidon at least 60 hours, if he is brilliant, which means that he should be getting $540 (60x $9 = $540). Instead you’re paying $200-$300, and you’re getting a book, a bunch of trips, prizes all for $300… and you get Nachas, and no obesity (=no soda). So, how in the… Read more »

February 10, 2023 2:58 am

Chidon is expensive. Maybe too expensive. Maybe the trip is more extravagant than necessary. But enough already! Stop bashing Tzivos Hashem and Chidon on a beautiful project! Stop looking for things to complain about or blame on it! It’s an incredible program. We want it to continue. Maybe can we tone down the trip by 25% for next year and lower the price accordingly? Thank you Tzivos Hashem! Please don’t listen to the complainers. The silent majority LOVES Chidon and is thrilled with what it gives our children. We’re all just struggling financially also and would love if we could… Read more »

So well said
Reply to  Genug!
February 10, 2023 12:23 pm

I could not agree more with what you wrote.

My Crown Heights kids do not...
February 10, 2023 4:16 am

Do not need to be wowed. It is not good chinuch to spoil kids this way. I did not care for the shabbaton either. To wear chidon sweatshirts on shabbos??? To come back home after midnight? To be fed junk? To arrive back home after shabbos already started? This is not what I want for my kids.

"Must Cteen go over the top?"
February 10, 2023 10:40 am

Thank you chidon for giving our children an excitement for Torah

a parent
February 10, 2023 10:47 am

Those Shabbatons and the gameshow are ABSOLUTELY what is missing from the current Chidon setup. Like it or not we need to feed the Nefesh Habehamis and in today’s day and age that is very different than what it was in the past. Torah does have to be exciting and interesting and engaging for children and this is a great way to make it happen.

Maturity and greatness of Tzivos Hashem leadership
February 10, 2023 11:15 am

Success is built by mistakes. We haven’t yet seen a successful Moisad that didn’t/don’t make mistakes. The leadership of Tzivos Hashem , in my opinion, can recognize thier slight error and reach new heights thru recognizing between themselves and making the necessary changes. By doing that, in addition to that is how the Rebbe guides us, it will gain much deserved respect by ALL. To us – all complainers – lets not forget that Tzivos Hashem is one of the Rebbes treasured institutions . We shall not stand from outside and criticize, rather get involved in assisting in many ways… Read more »

thanks and much appreciated
February 10, 2023 11:56 am

Couldn’t agree more with the points this writer expressed so well. Hopefully someone with good chinuch expertise and vision will take a leadership role to improve this project that has important merit and should be a vital force in giving our children the values we are obligated to instill in them.

We are all better thanks to Rabbi Shimmy Weinbaum
March 13, 2023 3:11 pm

We have the Zchus to be Shluchim in far off Australia and want to take this opportunity the once again thank Rabbi Shimmy Weinbaum for his endless energy and true dedication to his Shlichus who together with his family have given us a channel to connect to our Rebbe in a real way. Our Rebbe trailblazed the use of excitement to further Yidishkeit at every turn, much to the pushback of small minds who knew no better. Today its clear as day how connected and educated our chilren are as a direct result of TH and particulery of the Chidon.… Read more »