By 2 bochurim
Simchas Beis Hashoeva on Kingston Avenue in Crown Heights is a beautiful time when fellow Yidden dance together with an abundance of chayus and perpetual simcha. The ambiance, music, energy, and vibes are all remarkable and inspiring. The extraordinary simcha in the air is undeniable.
It is no surprise then that this nightly celebration attracts Yidden from different neighborhoods and from as far as Monsey.
The popularity has come with a price, and it presents a real issue to the celebration itself and to our shchuna in general.
The issue is that Simchas Beis Hashoeva (or just “Simchas Beis” for short) has developed into a favored hangout for many teens. It began with local youth and now draws boys and girls from everywhere looking to “chill” on our streets on chol hamoed nights.
And the problem is that this holy dancing is used by some as a destination to meet and mingle while wearing clothes inappropriate for a religious gathering. It’s not just that we became a venue for questionable looks and behavior, but that it happening in front of the eyes of our own.
It’s gotten worse over the years and we would call the situation really bad.
As Yidden, we are all too familiar with this issue. You see, this dates back all the way back to the times of the Beis Hamikdash.
There is a Tosefta quoted in Gemara Sukka [:סוכה נא] saying that there were similar issues in Yerushalayim. For this reason, balconies were built for the women to stand by Simchas Beis in the Beis Hamikdash.
Additionally, R’ Avin [.קידושין פא] says “ספקא דשתא ריגלא” – lit. the sore part of the year is yom tov. The Aruch explains that this statement refers to the fact that men and women were not separated properly. Similarly, Rashi says that there were issues due to there being groups of men and women participating in festive activities together.
It is due to this reason that the Rambam [שביתת שבת וים טוב פ״ו הכ”א] says that the Beis Din is obligated to appoint officers to patrol populated areas of the city on yom tov to ensure that the genders are properly separated.
Of course, the mindset at Chabad is that of welcoming everyone and never giving up on our own. While that is true, we are also strictly beholden to halacha and derech hayashar. There’s welcoming a guest into your home as a host, and then there’s the guest taking over your home and becoming the host.
We’re not sure what exactly needs to be done, but we know that things have gotten out of hand. Hopefully, those caring enough can do something about this b’darchei sholom with the goal of adding ahavas yisroel and true simcha.
Beautifully written. Thanks for not spelling out everything in detail – we get it and we see it
Why no mention of the hundreds of vendors selling their wares creating a market place of underage sellers desperate for your dollar? That’s the real problem
Why do you care that these kids wanna make some money?
THE YETZER HORA ALSO LIKES TO DANCE AT SIMCHAS BEIS.
THIS IS HOW HE DANCES.
It used to be much worse in the 90’s.
Its a fraction of the crowd that used to come for pritzus purposes.
If you go dance at 3 or 4 am until 6:00 then its not nearly as bad.
The real simcha beis hashoeevah is till 2 am thats how it was befor 3 tamuz
It’s starts after 2
This is flat out false. You are either miss led or uniformed or flat out lying. Simchas Beis Hashoeva always went till 6am way before Gimmel Tammus 5754
Exactly!
This was written by 2 bachurim? do bachurim these days really have nothing better to do??? arent they meant to be learning in yeshiva? smh
maybe these guys should not comment till maybe they know what it’s like to be on OUR side of the mechitza, its really boring tbh
If it’s boring on your side then don’t come to the dancing…
Based in your logic, should women and girls also not go to Shul on Shmini Atzeres and Simchas Torah? It’s also boring then…
*written by whom
Lets give them the benifit of the doubt! They probobly learnt in yeshiva about what rashi said about what used to happen and realize it’s still relevant today! This is what it looks like when people take what they learn and do something effective about it:)😊
Exactly! Being da’an lekaf zechus!
Yes it realy disturbs bocherim that are busy a full year in avodah comes the Rebbes horoeh to danse so they go and its a בית וכו.
Hire a hall and a women’s band and make a simchas beis hashoeva for women if you really want to dance. Or you can stay home, no one is making you stand and watch beautiful simchas beis hashoeva dancing.
Women have made and continue to make separate events for women and girls. I think it’s time for a switch:
Maybe women should stay at the main event and men should make a separate Simchas Beis Hashoeiva. Try it once and please report back with an Op-ed on the following topics:
1. How many people attended?
2. How many people actually danced?
3. How many people left after 30 minutes to join the main event on Montgomery like they are used to?
Then we can discuss why a simple solution like “make your own” doesn’t really work…
Seder has ended for the month. Better bochurim write about important issues than walk from one end of 770 to the other.
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“Tell them they have no value except to stare at a book from 7:30 am till 9:30 pm, and anything else he wants is against Judaism, he will go against Judaism”
This comment hits the nail on the head. Amongst bochurim who are already a few years out of yeshivah it is pretty much unanimously agreed that the system is not working.
This is my favorite part of the year,I come to a religious party and breath in the spirituality,don’t try and ruin it for me!!!!
This is not spiritualiy
This is the one time a year where people struggling with Judaism can come to a religious community gathering and feel accepted and can enjoy some spirituality in your life. Don’t take that way.
Love your children enough to parent, don’t be afraid of them. Our kids are desperate! For guidance. To know right and wrong. One day they “may” even thank you
Stop looking at other people and enjoy life do you rather these people not be frum at all ?
That is a very dangerous way to start looking at Judaism these days. I agree justification and the benefit of the doubt must be given. But to base our education on “oh its OK it could always be worse” is a very wrong and dangerous path to go down. There is a problem and that can’t be denied.
That not the way to keep them frum
This isn’t frumkeit. That was the סברא of Young Israel (at least let them marry Jewish) which the Rebbe strongly opposed. To use this logic in the Rebbe’s ד’ אמות is utterly disgraceful.
The main problem is that even when the crowd is separated, there is dancing on the women’s side. Although it is separate, this is not tznius in any matter. I see lots of “chassidish” girls and women joining too. This has to be spoken about in the schools! One may think that because it’s separated, it’s okay. This is not the case!!
Being told off in schools won’t improve the situation. The girls are dancing in back of the milk crates so you can’t even see them. The milk crates are the real issue here with safety
Physical safety is important, but spiritual safety is importanter
-The Vilna Gaon
They block anyone who doesn’t have from seeing
they litterally form a human wall
everyone was able to see before people started doing this
When it comes to such events there will unfortunately always be the beauty and the not great stuff… everyone should be aware and focus on the positive part of such a simcha. Good shabbos!
Yes this is a really big problem because as you leave the festivities, you must walk through this, and you can’t help but see this pritzus. There must be a speech ASAP!!
You are clearly a bochur who knows nothing of this. A speech makes girls want to do it even more, what they need is positive female role models who can show having a good time within the tznius environment. Additionally, keep in mind one can ALWAYS not look at pritzus unless he/she has no self control. You CAN help it. Thank you and I sincerely hope you gain clarity in your struggles.
You shouldn’t be walking through the women’s section either way……..kinda sounds like it’s your problem going there
There are enough piled up crates on the women’s side, with people on them to make a mechitza, allowing girls to dance.
True, but I think we need to focus on that there unfortunately are men on that side too. So many men slip through the dancing to go to Kingston pizza for example!! Uncomfortable and untznius on so many levels.
There are men on the women’s side at weddings, should the entire women’s section stop dancing because a man made a bad choice for himself?
Correct, but the women’s side is for women only and it’s not a place for men. On the other hand, while I agree that the side of Kingston where the women are should be avoided as much as possible, it is still a public place and there are men who need to be on that side of the block, like if the live on the block etc.
Someone calling a spade a spade
they block so many women from seeing and then many just leave. it’s so frustrating. it’s very selfish.
The whole kingston is a woman’s section
This is holy and tznius compared to what used to be.
don’t make a right
I just have to say that this is well written. Let’s only continue working with utmost Ahavas Yisrael and sensitivity to our fellow Jews, whether they are guests from a far or from nearby. Let’s proceed to celebrate the ultimate joy with Moshiach!
It should be emphasized perhaps that the vendors shouldn’t charge so much! Perhaps another article to be written for the prices?
Someone explain why you care??? Its a bunch of 11 year old boys looking to make some money ! Just leave then alone for g-ds sake
You know, I didn’t even know. I was thinking about costs in general! And how they are always high at events. Let’s support the kids!
Since when did the Rebbe ob’m say we should have vendors on chol umoed????
The rabonim should aser it poeple get the wrong idea
Its not a party or “festival” its holly dansing
Feel free to open up your own booth with cheaper prices. So body is stopping you.
You can talk the talk as you micromanage, or you can walk the walk
The firecrackers shouldn’t be allowed. They are dangerous. I was walking by Empire and Kingston and stepped on one because I didn’t see it and gave me a scare
Couldn’t agree more.And those of us who work can’t get a nights sleep bec the noise goes on all night. There should be a cut off for rowdy behaviors and loud music on the streets at a considerate hour.
its litterally afew nights a year. no ones changing the decibal of the music for u. if anything they will make it louder.
ROWDY BEHAVIOR?! what do you call rowdy people waving flags or the 11 year olds having a silly string fight?!
One way of knowing if your child is going for the right reason or not is if the child is wearing a hoodie or not, I found all the teenagers with not such spiritual intentions wear hoodies and blundstones…
Hoodies give off a ‘gangsta’ look and partially cover one’s identity. At least we can be proud that one might identify as a yid through bayshanis 🙂
lol it’s just called comfort
honestly the teens going prob don’t wanna go and are being forced and just wanna stay comfortable
Im a teenager who wears a hoodies and blundstones yet doesn’t hang out in the clubs! And also in general teenagers aren’t looking for your religious opinions and what the shulchan aruch says. You have to understand that we go through things and instead of getting help and support we just get told how we have to do this or that. Maybe it’s about time we stop looking at frum teenagers as “bachurim” and therefore they don’t need the same care “regular” teenagers should get and actually realize that we are all humans in the end and we aren’t going… Read more »
blundstones are à shoes brand. they mean nothing of any sort. it’s worn in many areas such as israel. and a hoodie is just there for comfort it’s not a Gangsta vibe. this is hurting lots of teenage girls that don’t have the intention to do wtvr it is but they dress that way.
As a kid, I used to love going out to watch these festivities, and I thought it really represented the simcha and energy of the chabad community and made a big kiddush lubavitch.
Now, although the simcha is still there, a large part of it is ruined by the immature teens. It bothers me to think about my 16 year old going out to join for not the best of reasons, when it’s supposed to be such a holy and happy time.
I really wish we could figure out how to solve this growing issue.
Nu nu. It is what it is. I hope these bochrim don’t get dismayed and continue to dance!
I think we all have to stop bashing other peoples comments. People are just stating their point just like if they were to have a normal conversation with someone. I’m saying this for myself also- let’s just try our best to hear them out we don’t need to agree with them but we don’t either need to bash them. We are all Chassidim and we need to respect one another and love one another even if we don’t agree with their opinions.
This is what has been going on for millennia. Wild partying is so important to the continuity of Judaism and our personal connection to Hashem that the Yetzer Hara tries to twist it into something not so good. The Gemara speaks about various Takanos in the Mechitsa that, YES, was originally set up at “simchas beis” at the Beis Hamikdash. (Was a balcony set up for women). While the Chachamim did their best, it didn’t fix the problem entirely but they never dreamed of holding people back from coming, in any way. The benefit far out weighed the loss.
What’s the issue it’s more Acdus when we just join forces and enjoy the holy days with joyful dancing together we can’t separate in such a dynamic time
Mothers should be allowed to bring there kids to watch we shall not make them leave for our own satisfaction
Which problem hasn’t gotten worse over the years?!and needs desperate attention that everyone is turning a blind eye on?! With all the stress teens get from their mothers this is theeeee only encouraging way to “air out” so why not?! Mothers have to stop their ways, its ruining teens and young adults lives for life!
Vendors are charging more money every year for the items, tho what’s going on with the silly string situation Wich has gotten out of hand many times and it’s a problem will Wich continue until we put it to an end!!!
Very nice. True and to the point
yo can’t stop the teens from doing what they want however, every year they do more to improve the situation you just don’t see it or don’t want to see it
I learnt that simchas beis attracts all types because the neshama gets excited to dance and be happy about the torah. Many people struggle to put action to their neshama’s love for the torah.but during simchas beis their neshama DOES feel the warmth of being surrounded with other jews. There is a certain adrenaline that is experienced. This is another reason why people who normally would not show up to a religious event join in.🌻 SUGGESTION: IF YOU dont want it to be a hangout at THE simchas beis then make ANOTHER simchas beis event! Maybe have a concert or… Read more »
I’m 24 years old. I have attended the full simchas beis every year all night since I was a kid and I have seen the subtle changes. In my elementary and high school days, this issue was way worse, with teens from surrounding neighborhoods riding off in ambulances after having drank too much. Crown between kingston and albany was party central. At this point I don’t even see a fraction of that sort of crowd, and most teen boys from in town and out of town are usually swept in to the dancing. Yemin mikareves really truly works. Regarding the… Read more »
Need a whole magazine on this topic!
Attn Parents:
Kids want, and need a connection!
Kids acting out is due to their thirst.
Love them. Guide them. Connect.
Moshiach NOW!
I couldn’t talk about this issue with with my parents because of them being judge mental and not mentally supportive.
PARENTS: love and be there for your KIDS needs, not YOUR needs of what you need your kid to be. Be supportive and be there for them mentally and emotionally.
At least they’re hanging out by a chsiddishe gathering and maybe it can be meorer them in some way (it’s better than them hanging out with goyim at real parties)
Is this good for our kids and how do we improve, as a kid in the 90s it was worse than, but how it’s beautiful seeing evryone together and the kids love this or do they!??
In regards to your statement.
I think the only thing that needs to be done is that there be more and more love for all of our fellow Jewish brothers and sisters. Instead of trying to come up with reasons to complain.
I think there’s been enough love and telling people no matter what you do frum not frum we still love you and respect your choices, some people need a little slap in the face and we need to tell them you need to be fr so get over it
Most good things go bad if there are no boundaries. We need to be more welcoming, more loving, and increase good boundaries in a healthy way. Good fences make for good neighbors
True…it’s great to love every Jew. However this laissez Faire attitude comes at a price…rebuke is actually a mitzvah as well (obviously needs to be done the right way). Of late there is this “fear” of giving mussar.
As you mentioned, rebuke must be done in the right way. A public letter isn’t the right way, neither is a stranger commenting on someone’s appearance or behavior, and neither is removing an entire group of people from a community event.
Read the Tanya, it might help clarify for you
Vaad shmiras hatznius, here we come!
Never worked in high school, won’t work now… unless it is comprised of the younger generation and worked on with the guidance of people like Mrs gorkin, rabbi taub, rabbi Russell etc.
It should be a program to aim at a goal together as a community rather than an enforcement program (which, surprise surprise, doesn’t work with teens)
Tbh
All there is to do is continue having ahavas yisroel for our fellow brothers and sisters. That’s the only way moshiach is gonna come.
does not mean to accept what is wrong, into your community
there is a huge difference between the person and the action
This wouldn’t be happening if the parents would raise their kids with better values and not let them get influenced by the world around them
The teachers should be stopping this it’s there responsibility as educators to lead our children on the correct path and not allow outside influences to corrupt them especially if it’s coming from there peers
Such an attitude is a complete abandonment of chinuch. Have one conversation with Rabbi Yossi Paltiel if you really want to understand how to parent, instead of being negligent and dumping your chinuch responsibilities on the teachers. Chinuch Starts from the home.
We do all of this to heal from the pain and trauma from Family and Teachers and Friends, so maybe actually help your kid instead of forsaking your responsibilities as a parent.
Everyone blames someone else and claims it’s someone else’s responsibility. The parents think it’s schools job to teach their kids how to act in the proper way. While schools think it’s the parents job. It’s both in school and out. It’s equally the parents and teachers responsibility to lead kids on the correct path.
Unfortunately, this is not all quite simple, the nature of a person is to get influenced by their surroundings. If your children are in a mainstream school in crown heights, they unfortunately will have classmates whos standards don’t quite match up with yours. These are the children your kids are spending 8 hours of their day with.
Values, yes. But children going off on their own, without a base of healthy friendships and relationships with their own family, that’s just a sign of a much deeper problem, and usually a lot of pain on the child’s part. Acting out is simply a symptom of a much deeper issue.
Sincerely,
A member of this “teen generation” who watches it up close.
This is 100% true
You’re all trying to blame this on current issues
However the main problem stems way deeper and no one is willing or are too scared to actually face the fact that so many teens are in pain
As a fellow teen I couldn’t agree more! We may seem all jumpy and crazy but you don’t know what’s going on inside! Don’t wait for your child to come to you because from experience that won’t happen! Pls reach out to your teens and try to support and help them in any way possible! Unfortunately I don’t have that so I’m begging you to do it for your kids!
It’s precisely the opposite The problem with these teens stems from the parents and Mechanchim who try to Lecture these Teens and try to use power and control over these teens. Trying to Lecture Teens and to use power and control over them and force your boundaries on them is extremely counter productive and in fact is the number one thing which is the primary contributor to the OTD pandemic. Instead, the opposite approach is what is needed and is missing, getting close to these teens, be on their side, by showing them live and more importantly Acceptance, is the… Read more »
degels. aka yellow flags! its a huge chilul Lubavitch when non lubavs come and see dozens of gigantic degels everywhere! it has become (always was…) a joke! those ”yellow pinners” only do it for fun or to cause trouble! #downwiththeyellow
I blame this problem on one thing and one thing only… The females. Why are thousands of girls flying in to crown heights for tishrei to simply “gaze” at the shawties dancing the whole time. Smh
The men have a blast dancing all night.
The women? We sit and watch the men have fun.
And then you blame it on the girls!?!
The Mitzvah of simchas beis, for the women, is actually to watch the men dancing. It’s exactly what they’re supposed to do. Every moment of watching them dance brings down tremendous brachos.
IT IS A GIRLS DREAM TO DANCE AT SIMCHAS BEIS! the fact that they’re respectful and not dance in public is enough. the mitzvah is to watch the joy of simchas beis
the fact that you know that term suggests that you should get off your high horse and delete your social media and apply equal blame to both sides
I think it’s actually a positive thing that bochurim are finding shidduchim during these auspicious times
If you think they should make shidduchim on there own maybe we should also have mixed schools
Finding a shidduch on the street? Not what the rebbe would want. And, can we really call them “bochurim” if they do this? More like senseless teenagers…
It reminds me of the Tu B’Av times that were so desperately needed back In the times of the beis Hamikdosh. There’s a reason the Gemara talks about it in such a holy way. It’s just that in a bit of a more modern time. This will ultimately help ease the pain on the growing shidduch crisis
Just like in the days of old when shidduchim were made on tu baav, the process was just pushed ahead a few months.
Thank G-d for comedy 🙂
Perhaps we should have shadchonin booths instead of street vendors! To help make shidduchim. What more special of a time for bochrim to meet girls.
Aren’t you bored bochurim supposed to be fabrenging and dancing the whole night away??? what makes you so knowledgeable in the well-being of teenagers on the streets if your supposed to be learning at dancing while they are performing such “wrongdoings”??. Pick up a chayanu and stop worrying about random peoples children it’s creepy
This is all valid but it goes but stopping simchas bais hashoeva will only solve a fraction of the issue. What will you do about the pritzus on Kingston and Carrol!?
The only solutions are for parents to be more careful with allowing their children out late at night. But this only solves some of the problem, we should have appointees that patrol the neighborhood ensuring a clean, tznius environment. I would personally know many of my older friends who would love to volunteer for this.
So sad that these things happen! The bochurim try focusing on their avoda while the girls are busy distracting them the whole time!
Bh we have many shiduchim from “simchas beis” and this problem is really our greatest מאלה
Would you rather your children be hanging out with non Jewish girls? Be happy you can find someone who attends simchas bais hashoeva, an אשת חיל
I personally look forward to Simchas beis every year because it gives me the opportunity to find my eishes chayil that I’ve been waiting for my whole life
Maybe don’t look at the women…makes them uncomfortable
If you allow your children to read non Jewish books, follow non Jewish fashion styles, and have smartphones why are you surprised that they are falling in with the culture? This is not a problem with the bochurim and girls, it’s a problem with the parenting.
I would say the other way around. Instead of looking at theis guest as OTD’s or whatever bringing in bad energy… we are the majority, its our town were hosting them, bring them into farbrengens, dance with them, show them that our way of Yiddishkiet is possibly a better solution then the one there there fading away from. Would a shliach be mad if a bunch of people came to his shabos meals with smartphone out etc… Lets have a little ahavas yisroel were all Yiddin let’s gather together for Simcha bies Hashuava shnas hakel. bring people in in the… Read more »
Another problem is the way the Moshiach flags are made as a joke and are flung around with no care when they carry such a deep message and should be treated with respect. They should not be treated as toys!!!
Another problem is the way the Moshiach flags are made as a model of fun and are flung around with no care when they carry such a deep message that must be respected. They are not toys!!!!
Such an important flag really needs it’s own emoji!
Lol I’m just laughing from this😂 are you joking?
I personally think that the mingling by simchas beis helps counter the intermarriage crisis that is plaguing the Jewish world
I think the problem is the booths selling toys that’s not what this is for It’s meant to be a time of joy when everyone gets together and celebrates not a time for people to go around spraying people with silly string.
And the second thing one of the big problems are that it continues by Montgomery Street, etc. and that is where all the smutz happens.
This will surely make them frum!
Yes yes yes we will all magically become tznius when there are people forcing us to be tznius with the title police.
As a bochur who has been there the past 4 years, I have truly felt the magic of the simchas beis, and I have always walked out rejuvenated and brought the energy into the rest of the upcoming year. Yes, there will always be those don’t see the beauty of it and are just looking for fun, but that’s with everything in life. You just need to make sure to go in with the right mindset and you will come out rewarded.
I actually think it’s really beautiful that jews of all types join. I think there has to be a shift in your perspective and then you will stop noticing the pritzus and start seeing neshamos. focus on personal growth and what you can contribute to the world and you’ll actually start seeing things differently. There is no jew who doesn’t belong at simchas beis. Youre talking about real people here. Do you suggest that they shouldnt experience this joy at all because they don’t do it the way that you do?
The kids out partying are the last ones to be ready for marriage. They are at their reckless stage in life.
it used to be so beautiful before people started bringing them
wherever you were and whenever you came, you can see
and what happens is that many people can’t see
and many of the people who can’t see then go into the aisle that is meant to be a passageway, and clog it up
please stop allowing milkcrates, please stop bringing them
I actually found my bashert through simchas beis hashoeva. I was on the women’s side, watching the bochurim when one bochur was dancing very freilechly and was shlepping people in vechulu. I was very impressed, so at some point I went over to ask his name.
The rest is history, B”H we are now on Shlichus with two children.
The affect of Simchas Beis Hashoeva is powerful!
Wow such an inspiration! We should all learn something from this story and apply it to our life איזה הוא חכם הלומד מכל אדם
And the girls singing and dancing in the women’s section is any better?
I never understood why they don’t make a similar event on at least one night on chol hamoed, dancing for women in a hall, with Yossi Cohen, etc. Yes, I know that the way the SBH was in the Beis Hamikdash was that women would watch, I’m not saying that women shouldn’t be on Kingston by the dancing, but I feel that a women’s event would solve some of the “need and feeling” to sing dance, so by the actual SBH it won’t be as bad
THEY DO HAVE A GIRLS SIMCHAS BAIS ONE NIGHT
IN LUBAVITCH YESHIVA
JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW
just for the teens that go to school in ch. ( bm, br…)
Most neighborhoods in the world, including Yerushalayim, forbid outdoor Simchas Beis exactly for this reason. While the Rebbe encouraged specifically dancing outdoors, I am sure the Rebbe would be proud if the neighborhood had the courage to shut it down for one year and do a reset. The Rebbe was equally adamant about Tznius, etc. I still vividly remember the first outdoor event on Montgomery street that was done spontaneously without much planning. With the Piamantas playing their hearts our through the night. It was small, yet had a certain purity to it. Like the Friday night ones, that although… Read more »
I get upset at the pritzus each time I go so I stopped going. It’s sad because I used to enjoy going but it hurts too much. I’d love if something can be done about it but don’t have much confidence that anything will or can be done to stop it.
Be the change you wish to see in the world
I think the worst is that girls and boys are contacting each other through the col comments. And it totally fine. But the sbh is horrible
There’s no way to contact anyone thru this comment section, trust me we’ve tried 😩
I get ur bored and looking for fun but the ridiculous stuff is getting out of hand. to all the Bachurim who wrote it and are commenting. GO HELP YOUR MOTHER IN THE KICTHEN!!!!!!! Good Shabbos
Do you have a problem with bein hazmanim being used to write for news websites? It’s a brilliant opportunity for them to use their talents.
Bachurim would be open to helping of they weren’t burnt out from learning every waking minute.
הוי דן לכף זכות it was written after they finished helping.
Learning and helping are not the only thing bachurim can do with their lives
I’m learning from all the comments. Ahavat Yisrael is huge & challenging at times. Simchat Bait Hashueva definitely has its concerns. If we speak positively to our youngsters about the joy and purpose of gathering together and take them for a limited time as a family and highlight the simcha & achdut ignoring or not paying heed to what we may find not proper then the positive outweighs…. Let’s all enjoy our simchat Bait Hashuava wherever we find ourselves even in CH and do what’s right ourselves (without pointing fingers) then we can become the majority of creating simcha the… Read more »
few thoughts:
1)
there should be a cut off when children (yes they are children) under 16 should be allowed to roam the streets. kids are kids…if you let a 15 year out until 2am unsupervised pls don’t be shocked when they get involved in stuff.
2)
the messianic fervor is inspiring but may not be the style that other jews are used to & its potentially off-putting and damaging.
3)
everything is also wonderful and we grateful its happening.
People over 13 years old will do what they want. There are some parents who educated their children when they were younger to listen. Those children will listen to their parents even after 13. These children are generally not the problem. Other parents failed in educating their children, which is why they won’t listen even if their parents have them a curfew. For these children even if you have security remove them they’ll either come back, hide in an alley, out find a non kosher establishment to hang out. The other option would be to get police involved which is… Read more »
If you are not a bochur you have no idea how challenging it is for them
To all those who have booths
thank you very much for having them. I feel that it makes sbh a lot better with a lot more energy and a lot better time for the children
Thank you BK
I as a Jewish young adult just this and it caused me to not want to go to simchas Beis hashoava anymore I didn’t realize the adults of crown heights spend all their free time dissecting what I do with my life Yes, there are some wayward teens there but if you actually look you’ll see that most of the “wrong” that you’re seeing are actual not frum people coming to dance at simchas Beis hashoava So either lock yourself in your house through sukkos or accept the fact that not everything is the way you see it This whole… Read more »
The only thing I enjoy more than simchas beis is col op-Ed’s about it, to post on my status.
Great entertainment….
U know, COL just posted an article “Most commented Op-eds of the year.” I’d like to rename it “Most controversial Op-Eds of the year” 🤣
they should make an article with all the best comments from the op-ed’s
so entertaining
No one, ever, ever, ever, ever, SUCCEEDED to got even 1 OTD teen, to do Teshuva, by trying to punish them, by trying to Lecture them, by trying to use Power and Control over them. Lecturing such teens and trying to use power and control over them is a a very old, outdated, failed policy, of all our Mosdos, and it is in fact the number one cause of all of our kids, currently going OTD. They got their CHINUCH policy up side down and it is the current Yeshiva Policy and Girls Schools policy, failure to be Mekarev Them… Read more »
The real issue w simchas beis in crown heights is the endless supply of alchohol that is normalized for young teens to be exposed to. Not the fact that it has become a hangout.
I think it’s important for the community as a whole to put together something for the rebellious kids to enjoy, and make a havdala between the Kodesh and Pritzus
dont seperate a teen just because they are ”rebelios!”
the whole i dea of SBH and hakkel is to gehter together all types of jews and join together! if u have a problem with this pritzus shmitzuz dont look or dont come.
Anyone else scroling through comments because have nothing better to do b4 shabbat
😂 ( Bh shabbos and yom tov is all cooked and ready so just enjoying the shmooze)
The constant talk about all the negative around Simchas Beis is so gross. #1 To the parents who are raining on the parade – if your kid is one of the bad chevra in Simchas Beis – your pessimistic attitude is probably why your kid no longer respects the rebbe or Judaism. #2 Whats the difference between a college kid touring New York who stops by Simchas Beis and a bochur who’s had it rough? One had a frum upbringing and one didn’t? If you think life is that black and white – you’re kidding yourself. #3 The negatives for… Read more »
Teens today are already fooling around on their own. Simchas Beis gives the public a small glimpse of it in the open, but it’s happening in places you don’t see. Welcome to reality. Our world is not as “pure” as you would hope. Just keep Davening for Moshiach. That’s a better solution then a Tznius police.
It’s disgusting how so many comments are blaming the women and girls for all the problems. Bachurim are not all perfect and holy.
Another point : It is disgusting to judge who is there for the right purpose by what they’re wearing. There is nothing wrong with a hoodie or blundstones.
It’s the only chance for the girls and boys to let loose
I think that the solution can come from within 1: if your by the women section and start to hear girls singing or talking in a untzniusdike way then it’s OK to let them know that it’s unacceptable 2: obviously when telling them off it should be as polite as possible but they continue then there isn’t a problem with letting them know harshly We cannot just allow this to continue we have to do something to stop and I think if it comes down to being mean,harsh or blunt, to stop this then that’s what needs to be done… Read more »
The Rebbe addressed this very challenge a full 68 years ago in a Simchas Torah farbrengen in 1954. See Toras Menachem page 89 paragraph Yud. It’s one page. The Rebbe explains what draws people to come from afar, yet don’t join the “inner circle” and what we chasiddim ought to do to help bring everyone inside. According to the Rebbe it’s an outcry of their Neshama that schleps them here, and chasiddim are expected to do about it. The Rebbes words!! Its one page. It’s a very easy read. A total paradigm shift in our thinking about the challenges of… Read more »
Can be found here Page 89
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I9zkeoKSJ6yu284GhTiqpjUTyfBhURSJ/view
This should be written as a response article so that everyone should see
this is so well written!! thank you!! are they actually gonna do that thing with the officers to patrol cuz i think that’s a great idea!!
This article is ridiculous! Always focusing on the way women dress- mind your own business! And have u seen how the men dress?? And its only the girls who come to hang out? What about all the boys hanging out too. Stop blaming the girls. And with the way life is today- you should be happy that the teens are even at Simchas beis! It’s good for their nechama. You cant really judge todays teens- as Rabbi Jacobson says: ” these are moshiach kids”. Look at your own Yiddishkeit before judging others.
Obviously the situation at simchas beis is getting out of hand but to start blaming a certain gender or saying any of the sort is not helping the situation. If girls and boys go to hang out it’s up to them, it’s obviously not ok but girls want to enjoy life as much as boys so by saying that girls have to stay on the side doing nothing while all the boys have fun is not a way to handle the situation
Get real. I remember what used to happen outside 770 during Farbrengens. There were many people inside. But there was also other stuff going on outside.
And the kids selling stuff adds to the joy.
Make more options for women.
But let people enjoy themselves.
This comments section seems to have revealed that there is a gaping rift between a growing number of teens and young adults in the Chabad/Frum world, and their parents/educators/mashpiim and the balebatim and others who comment here. It seems that Simchas Beis Hashoevah is simply one time a year when this gaping wound is out in the open in close proximity to the “oilom”, the people who don’t usually see this very real part of our frum community. So if you are someone appalled at the pritzus and lack of standards, maybe this year when walking past the youth you… Read more »
For those doubting the severity of the issue, I saw an article once on some website that has since been taken down (I think it was called “Neshamas.com”) that was some girl talking about how she’d gotten drunk during SBH on Kingston and ended up in some Lubavitcher’s house were something bad happened etc.
the article was very elaborate and written in great detail and seemed pretty realistic. Not saying that it couldn’t have been a troll, but most probably wasn’t. This issue is very real and tangible
מַאי ״וְגִילוּ בִּרְעָדָה״? אָמַר רַב אַדָּא בַּר מַתְנָא אָמַר רַבָּה: בִּמְקוֹם גִּילָה שָׁם תְּהֵא רְעָדָה.
What is the meaning of rejoice with trembling? Rav Adda bar Mattana said that Rabba said: One may not experience unbridled joy; even where there is rejoicing, there should be trembling.
When we are dancing (like by simchas beis hashoeva), we can’t forget our yiddishe morals just because we’re having fun. We need to make sure everything is kept l’halacha 1000%.
And set up solutions accordingly!
i love simchas beis its so fun!! hoodies r NOT a gangster vibe!! blundstones r rlly cute! also 14 yr old boys were spraying the silly string all over the girls i rlly enjoyed running away from them!! also dont ruin this for me i look forward to it EVERY YEAR thank u