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The Missing Link in Our Chinuch System

Op-Ed by Rabbi Gershon Avtzon: Currently, there are many Yeshivos that cater to various different boys...yet they do not provide a proper answer for the approximately 25% of boys that are not in those categories. Full Story

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I feel bad
March 19, 2023 9:02 pm

So much backlash about chinuch
There is always much to improve
Yet where is the gratitude in the equation
Not even referring to this op ed alone. Just every op ed seems to be targeting chinuch.

Sounds like everything came easy to you
Reply to  I feel bad
March 20, 2023 3:45 am

Sounds like everything came easy to you and all your kids got easily accepted to all the yeshivas very nice but just know that’s not the case with everyone!

time to start operating like a business
Reply to  I feel bad
March 20, 2023 9:28 am

Business people understand that you have to constantly improve your product. Everyone needs to look at education with the same standards as they would their personal business or their comfort of living. Always look to make it better and not just leave it at the status quo.

Hmm
Reply to  I feel bad
March 20, 2023 4:21 pm

Your comment is kind of ironic being that the person who wrote the article is directly involved in chinuch, and complaints are often directed at him. These doesn’t seem like someone who is just looking to kvetch, rather, someone who is already doing and looking to do more for our children.

Chaim
Reply to  I feel bad
March 20, 2023 10:16 pm

I work in Chinuch and these are the conversations that take place in the teachers room every day. By highlighting areas of that could use improvement, and by extension implementing those improvements, mechanchim are the ones who stand to gain.

tried and failed many times
March 19, 2023 9:05 pm

many great points were raised in this article that are well known. This style yeshiva was opened many times and did not work out as planned

Read?
Reply to  tried and failed many times
March 19, 2023 11:59 pm

He literally wrote that in the article and explained why that happened

why does it have to be separate??
March 19, 2023 9:10 pm

Let the mainstream yeshivos exert effort on these precious bochurim ! Theres no kuntz in being mechanech “easy” bochurim.

What people do not understand
Reply to  why does it have to be separate??
March 19, 2023 9:36 pm

It should not be separate to “protect” the existing Yeshivos, rather so that these boys feel embraced and that they are the stars of their Yeshiva.

Exactly right!
Reply to  why does it have to be separate??
March 19, 2023 9:37 pm

The premise of this article assumes that somehow mainstream systems can’t deal with the weaker learners. Thats a huge mistake. When i look back at my class from 25 years ago the small learners are now the big learners and in many cases the oposite is true as well. Whats needed is a reseting of Ahavas Yisroel for the weaker boys who usually have many other talents then figuring out a big Tosfos and everything will work out just fine. In the words of the Frediker Rebbe “Chassidus was only given for aquiring good midos and sechel is only a… Read more »

Chaim
Reply to  Exactly right!
March 20, 2023 10:31 pm

Very true. Some of the most successful guys in my grade were not considered learners, and if you asked their teacher, they probably wouldn’t have high hopes for them. There was even a boy who I remember was put into a separate class for slower learners, who ended up graduating from one of the most prestigious colleges in the U.S. (MIT). Often times children who aren’t interested in learning are considered “weaker” learners, when in fact, they’re just simply uninterested. The answer isn’t to lower the standard, rather to cultivate an atmosphere of ahavas yisroel and a passion for learning,… Read more »

Correct
Reply to  Chaim
March 24, 2023 6:12 pm

You are also exactly right. There are tons of kids that fit into the same profile as your friend. The way the mechanchim test is not OK, to put it mildly and they are not expert at assessing either or administering tests. Professional education is in order.

Correct
Reply to  Exactly right!
March 24, 2023 6:10 pm

Thank you to Exactly right for writing what you did. Every single one of the “weaker boys” are going to leave yeshiva and go on to do something great. Why should they have the label of being a “weak boy” when their strengths can be used in the service of their chochma. I wish everyone would listen to you, and our hanhalos would build a system where everyone would thrive instead of creating false divisions amongst the children that ONLY bring trauma and insecurity.

New Yeshiva just opened
March 19, 2023 9:28 pm

There is a Yeshiva in the Poconos

name please?
Reply to  New Yeshiva just opened
March 20, 2023 12:08 am

ty

chbd
Reply to  name please?
March 21, 2023 9:34 pm

chayolei beis dovid

Great start!
Reply to  New Yeshiva just opened
March 20, 2023 3:52 am

Sounds amazing and would love for other yeshivas like that to exist in Crown Heights too!

Many people write the words...
March 19, 2023 9:31 pm

Yiras shamayim. Do people know what that means? Do people actually know what that means? Fear of heaven. Unfortunately very few have that today. Like the expression says I could count it on my fingers but that’s about it. Bear it in mind some mechanchim dont have it at all due to mental health ongoing, so how do you expect it they should pass it to the next generation? Second point: the baal shema tov learnt by himself in the woods, the Rebbe never had a chance. What does this teach us? Sometimes bochurim need to do their own thing… Read more »

Misspelling
Reply to  Many people write the words...
March 19, 2023 9:50 pm

“The Rebbe never had a chaver to learn with.” He learnt by himself

LEC miami has something like this
March 19, 2023 9:32 pm

So I’ve heard –

YDS
Reply to  LEC miami has something like this
March 20, 2023 7:28 am

Yeshivas Dor Shvii in Hialeah, Miami

More details please
Reply to  YDS
March 20, 2023 11:18 pm

I couldn’t find this yeshiva online

Seminary
March 19, 2023 11:14 pm

There needs to be a seminary to this style too!

Oryah
Reply to  Seminary
March 20, 2023 12:00 am

Isn’t that the case?

A mixed bag
March 20, 2023 12:10 am

Much of this article is on point. Its primary point however – that a certain type yeshiva doesn’t exist is flawed. There are such yeshivos, one example is in Wilkes Barre. But there certainly can be more. And a fundamental missing ingredient in such a yeshiva is a curriculum, (not just gemara and chassidus, and in every subject a well-structured SMART system), which must include learning at least one language thoroughly (grammar, composition, writing, vocabulary, comprehension)- something that doesn’t exist in most chabad yeshivos. And if this writer wishes to open another yeshiva, a) he doesn’t have to negate others… Read more »

Wilks is not the answer
Reply to  A mixed bag
March 20, 2023 3:58 pm

Wilks is for a very specific type of bucher what the op is saying is we need a similar thing for Chassidishe buchrim

Wilkes isn't the answer
Reply to  Wilks is not the answer
March 21, 2023 10:48 am

Wilkes isn’t the answer for a bochur without issues.

Mother
March 20, 2023 12:55 am

Thank you for addressing this important issue. You bring up a point I have been thinking about (from experiencing the need), for a long time. Can I suggest this? As part of the curriculum change, adding some classes such as English writing, science, Jewish (and maybe world history). The point of having some secular subjects is to: A) enable the chance to stay in an environment that fosters Yiras Shamayim, even when a Bochur may want to pursue some secular studies. It shouldn’t be that he should should have to compromise the benefits of a Chasidishe Yeshiva environment to do… Read more »

DUDE,
March 20, 2023 1:13 am

My dudes,
Can the already established Yeshivos and High schools add a less intense program within the program. Like another track? Within mainstream there are diff stream:)

(It doesn’t need to be a completely diff program.)

inclusion is the chabad way
March 20, 2023 1:18 am

the concept that bochurim who are chasidish and have yiras shamayim dont have a place in a yeshiva like the one rabbi avtzon runs is an unfortunate tragedy. to say that these bochurim need a separate yeshiva is the exact opposite of everything chabad stands for! to proudly stand up and write this op-ed speaks to a misunderstanding amonst todays mechanchim that only bochurim who have natural abilities to learn easily have a place in the current yeshiva system. to teach bochurim who can learn themselves deserves no major accolades, but if every yeshiva would commit to accepting a few… Read more »

Way off target
Reply to  inclusion is the chabad way
March 20, 2023 1:56 pm

You totally missed the point of the article. The point of such a yeshiva is solely for the student, not the yeshiva. (In fact, we hope that’s what all school ststems are for..) Most of these students are in a regular yeshiva, the issue is that they’re not maximizng their potential,l and they’re not being given the proper respect, love, care and attention. Not because of lack of care in the yeshiva rather because that’s not who those yeshivos are catering too. Thus, the article comes to explain this and offer some suggestions and ideas to our community as a… Read more »

You missed my point
Reply to  Way off target
March 21, 2023 12:32 am

Which is that yeshivas catering to the easiest group of bochurim to cater to is not anything to be proud of and THAT needs to change. There is no reason a yeshiva like the one Rabbi Avtzon runs in Cincinnati can’t accommodate those students. There is a lot of positive growth for everyone involved (including the actual talmidim) if there are students at various levels.

Thanks so much for this article!
March 20, 2023 3:36 am

I keep constantly feeling sick having to fight for my kids to go to a normal school once they outgrow preschool! (Just because my kids need therapists) the Rebbes approach was to except everyone and I’m really upset that last year when I applied my oldest son to all the yeshivas in Crown Heights they either ghosted us or revoked his acceptance so I ended up sending him to a non lubavitch school outside of crown heights (mainstream with all therapists) and while he’s doing great there BH and we are really happy with the school I still think it’s… Read more »

Be Proud of your Parenting
Reply to  Thanks so much for this article!
March 20, 2023 1:20 pm

I realized a long time ago that Lubavitch schools did not offer what I was looking for or what my children needed. I sent them to really good frum, non Lubavitch, schools that offered stellar Kodesh, Chol, sports and social emotional support. Boruch Hashem I am thrilled at how well they did.

You are choosing your child’s needs above everything else. That’s the hallmark of a good parent. Lubavitch will either catch up or it won’t but it won’t be on cheshbon of your child. Chazak uboruch and may you see nachas from all your children.

Ive been wanting to do this for years
March 20, 2023 4:29 am

My passion project- so agree Rabb A.
Just need some funding and I would start

why remain annonymous?
Reply to  Ive been wanting to do this for years
March 20, 2023 10:15 am

name? number?

Ideas
March 20, 2023 5:10 am

Actually in the vast majority of yeshivas of any group you will find ten per cent or so top learners. Then you will find ten to twenty per cent on the difficult level. But sixty to seventy per cent are average kids. They all need chizuk. Life is full of challenges. That’s what we are here for. Life is a test. Everyone no matter what age should spend some time learning Torah. It could be as simple as reading a biography on a great tzaddik. We need inspiration.

100%
March 20, 2023 6:17 am

On point

Options
March 20, 2023 7:04 am

We need an option for bochurim to attain a high school diploma….it’s either all or nothing and leaves 1000s with dead end online sales jobs.

Yes! [Read until the end!]
Reply to  Options
March 21, 2023 5:09 am

Its all or nothing Considering ged etc in ny. You can have one in 3-6 months! Specially jewish talented and frum kids for sure have the talent to do it with ease in even shorter period kh bh At least for the “paper diploma” Having a 2hour seminar as an example or a flash intensive program in vacation time, where they can spend the first part of the day with regular seder.. Im coming to think that this idea is by itself a “solution” to the issue the Rebbe always says about long vacations. And to the “wasting the (sometimes,… Read more »

So confused
March 20, 2023 7:10 am

Imagine thinking that there are Frum Lubavitcher Yeshivas that are lesser is yiras Shamayim. It’s literally a joke. Imagine trying to explain to someone who wasn’t Frum that this ultra orthodox yeshiva wasn’t that religious but a different one was. It’s disrespectful to those institutions and indeed the Rebbe.

What you mean to say this some people prefer more extreme environments than others. In the big picture, they’re all extreme. Still, in 2023, there is no Frum Lubavitcher Yeshiva for boys that has lmudai kodesh and lmudai chol like they did many years ago.

Pittsburgh Mesivta provides both Kodesh and Chol
Reply to  So confused
March 20, 2023 11:20 am

Thankfully now with the new building, the new Pittsburgh Mesivta and Yeshiva Schools will have updated modern facilities along with the regular Chasssidus, Kodesh, and General Studies/Chol classes and high school diploma.

Don't understand
Reply to  So confused
March 20, 2023 2:19 pm

Of course there are levels. In so many ways. The levels of the mechanchim, the expectations, how they dress. How they teach. What they teach. These all reflect the level of yiras shomayim. How can anyone say they are all the same. Of course the Rebbes takes pride in those that are doing as he instructed, more than others. Limudei chil, for one, was not something he wanted and def. Doesn’t add to ones yiras shomayim.
So yes, the more ‘extreme’ prob have more yirah.

100%
March 20, 2023 8:48 am

A much simpler solution would be for existing yeshivos to embrace all the Rebbe’s children and work to inspire up, instead of disenfranchising. And yes, there is the beautiful and holy Wilkes Berry that’s there for those that need.

Unfortunately, the existing ppl in charge are not willing to progress. Therefore, you hit the nail on the head.

Misunderstanding
March 20, 2023 11:02 am

Please note: the author acknowledged the importance and value of places like Wilkes Barre, and also did not undermine any existing yeshiva. He is talking about an ignored demographic. Not kids who struggle with the system. Kids who are completely comfortable in the Chabad mainstream, but struggle with the long day of learning. Hours upon hours of Gemara. But if anyone tries to serve these kids in an alternate way (shorter day, general studies, some sports etc) both parents and teachers are wary to join something new, and the school can’t get off the ground. For those kids, it is… Read more »

Huh?
Reply to  Misunderstanding
March 20, 2023 6:18 pm

Seems like the current yeshivos simply need to upgrade their programming. IF, and that’s a big if, a considerable amount of parents who send their children to schools, demand upgraded curriculum, then one doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel.

Suggestion?
Reply to  Misunderstanding
March 20, 2023 6:23 pm

So what would you say might be a practical way to deal with this?

Tomim Forever
March 20, 2023 12:37 pm

When I was in 8th Grade Oholei Torah, we had a super-Rebbi that set up a weekly private “Mitzuyanim Shiyur” (in his home after yeshiva) to cater to the select superstars in the class, to give them a deeper appreciation of the Gemara taught… AND a special twice weekly “Chaloshim Shiyur” for the struggling boys that needed an extra review of the Gemara (during a recess or lunch break)…My point: I takes one dedicared Rebbi to go the extra mile to include everyone – the “weak” talmid and the equally needy “super achieving” talmid. There were weeks that I joined… Read more »

Me who zeh
Reply to  Tomim Forever
March 20, 2023 11:33 pm

מי הוא זה ואיזה הוא ומה שמו?

Yanky
March 20, 2023 12:41 pm

A yeshiva is like a business. It caters to a clientele.

Some open stores catering to high end products. Others open Dollar Stores.

Every Rosh Yeshiva wants to be the owner of Macy’s or Holt Renfrew.

Very few Rosh Yeshiva would want to be owners of Thrift Shops.

Even if it makes a profit, there is little glamor in it!

There is a real need for junk yards. Junk yards are viable and profitable. But no one wants to own a junk yard!!

Farshtayst?

A necessary yeshiva
Reply to  Yanky
March 20, 2023 4:29 pm

A yeshiva like the one Rabbi Avtzon wrote about is not a dollar store, thrift shop or junk yard it’s clientele would be the bochurim who will in the future Iyh be supporting Lubavitcher organisations and Shluchim!

Yanky
Reply to  A necessary yeshiva
March 20, 2023 11:30 pm

Oh, you mean to have a “Zevullun Yeshiva”, where they educate ba’alei aisek. Teach them business instead
of tosfos.

Confuzzled
Reply to  Yanky
March 20, 2023 7:50 pm

Are you trying to compare some bochurim to junk?
If yes, I’ll be happy to have a chavrusah with you in Tanya and chassidus, which teaches that every single yid is a chelek eloka, and the most precious thing in hashems eyes.
If not, then I don’t ‘farshtay’ what you’re trying to say

Yanky
Reply to  Confuzzled
March 20, 2023 11:24 pm

Ya, G-d makes no junk, just junk yards. Look, everything comes from Hashem: diamonds and garbage. But Rosh Yeshivos want the diamonds and can you blame them? Garbage starts to smell.

Yanky
Reply to  Confuzzled
March 21, 2023 10:26 am

What’s wrong with junk? Hashem created it! Embrace junk. But it ain’t diamonds. And don’t confuse the two.

Chaim
Reply to  Yanky
March 20, 2023 10:37 pm

Well said.

There’s a popular clip on YouTube where they asked R’ Steinmetz ZTL about the issue of yeshivas not accepting bochurim. His answer was that it was due to “gaava”. At the time, I didn’t understand the correlation. But as I I get older I certainly do…. You summed it up well.

Yanky
Reply to  Chaim
March 20, 2023 11:26 pm

I wouldn’t call it “gaavah”. I call it “good business”.

Oh my
Reply to  Yanky
March 20, 2023 11:30 pm

I thought a yeshiva was a place where educators teach students Torah in order to serve HaShem

Yanky
Reply to  Oh my
March 22, 2023 7:07 pm

Yeshiva =
(1) jobs for hanhala (Rosh Yeshiva, his buddies and usually his family members get an income);
(2) business for the administration (usually the Rosh Yeshiva and family – own building and assets);
(3) prestige for the Rosh Yeshiva (fame, honor, importance);
(4) fills a need in the local community (to send their kids to a local place that gives tuition discounts, the out-of-towners fill the deficit with full tuition);
(5) local shaliach gets an army of bochurim to provide free labor to do mivtzoyim and pe’ulos.

Do you see anything in this list about “serving Hashem”?

Yeshivas Lubavitch Tiferes Yisroel Bet Shemesh
March 20, 2023 12:49 pm

Dear friends, the answer is this ^^ yeshiva.

Zal or Mesivta?
Reply to  Yeshivas Lubavitch Tiferes Yisroel Bet Shemesh
March 20, 2023 9:50 pm

wondering

Amazing
March 20, 2023 2:00 pm

Thank you Rabbi Avtzon for another beautiful article

Yeshivas Ohr Temimim Toronto
March 20, 2023 2:04 pm

This Yeshiva is for boys who cannot attend a regular Yeshiva. They are Frum and Chassidish and have wonderful teachers. Many of the Mesivta graduates this past year are attending Morristown together with the graduates from Detroit.

Yanky
Reply to  Yeshivas Ohr Temimim Toronto
March 21, 2023 10:33 am

ואמר רב כהנא, דרש רב נתן בר מניומי משמיה דרב תנחום: מאי דכתיב (בראשית לז) “והבור רק אין בו מים”. ממשמע שנאמר והבור רק איני יודע שאין בו מים? אלא מה תלמוד לומר אין בו מים – מים אין בו, אבל נחשים ועקרבים יש בו When the pit is empty, automatically it becomes filled with snakes and scorpions. Those who are empty of learning (nigla, chassidus, sichos) are filled with “other” things – spiritual snakes and scorpions. That yeshiva was created to weed out and create a place for the boys who cannot attend the regular world-renown Mesivta Lubavitch of… Read more »

Huh?
Reply to  Yeshivas Ohr Temimim Toronto
March 23, 2023 7:49 pm

Many attend Morristown – I guess they don’t want to continue in the Yeshiva Lubavitch Toronto Zal or is it that they can’t attend the Toronto Zal???

Monticello Yeshiva?
March 20, 2023 2:30 pm

Wasn’t that supposed to be the Monticello Yeshiva? It announced it will open last year with great staff named but then we never heard further!

Monticello Yeshiva?
March 20, 2023 7:07 pm

Remember this:
https://collive.com/new-mesivta-inspires-jewish-action-in-monticello/

This “new mesivta” was SUPPOSED to be the yeshiva described. But it never happened!

It was even supposed to have a simcha program: Irgun Torah and Yeshiva Lubavitch of Monticello have announced a new Semicha Program to open in the Catskills.

Remember: https://collive.com/new-semicha-program-to-open-in-upstate-ny/

who would want to go there
March 20, 2023 10:30 pm

I felt pain when reading this article. why does this issue require new institutions to be opened up? Can a mainstream yeshiva not cater to students who are on different levels of learning with different intellectual capabilities? with so much learning in chavrusas, can the learning not be modified to match the level of individual students? This issue the writer described should not necessitate the level of work and manpower required to open a new institution. 25% of boys fit into this category, can learning in mainstream yeshivos not be modified for one quarter of the boys? surely that would… Read more »

This is a CORE issue THANK YOU for bringing it up!
March 20, 2023 10:55 pm

This is a comment directed to the many mechanchim that will come across Rabbi Avtzon’s article, as well as anyone else who will read this who wants to get involved. LIsten: Whoever is going to follow through with this idea is doing HATZOLAS NEFOSHOS MAMOSH. And YOU KNOW IT! It’s self explanatory what kind of danger the above mentioned category of bochurim are in R”L. Ruchniusdike danger CH”V. And it’s in YOUR hands to save them. You have the OPPORTUNITY to do it! I have no doubt that you will have a lot of support and enough people coming to… Read more »

A question for TT experts
March 21, 2023 5:25 am

How was when the Rebbe decided that the original TT schedule of 7am-11pm (+ optional swimming time, not less important..) wasn’t going to work and therefore he changed the seder to 7am-9:30pm?? Did the Rebe gave an explanation that we have record of? If I recall correctly, until about JUST 10/13 years ago seder started 7am in all “BIG” yeshivos And then it CHANGED to 7:30. And this is in “THE” yeshivas like I said, So my point is, why is that complicated to figure out a NEW seder? The issue will be to fit it the same yeshivos, for… Read more »

Tomim
Reply to  A question for TT experts
March 21, 2023 10:41 am

Starting seder at 7 AM became a problem in locations with late sun-rises, that one cannot say Kriyas Shema before seder. Assuming one says birkas hashachar, and wears tefillin to say shema, it cannot be done when it is still dark outside (see Zmanin at chabad.org for details). That is why seder was moved to 7:30 to avoid halacha issues. The evening seder moved to 9:30 pm to allow bochurim to daven maariv properly and say kriyas shema as demanded (with a cheshbon hanefesh) – this takes time – at least an hour, while allowing the bochur to still get… Read more »

Interesting
Reply to  Tomim
March 21, 2023 6:06 pm

-7am: But why it was changed ONLY recently?
-9:30 did the Rebbe say this reason? Because the reason of sleep and cheshbon hanefesh clearly was suppossed to aply in original TT.

Tomim
Reply to  Interesting
March 22, 2023 12:07 pm

What are you talking about??? There was no “recent” change from 7 to 7:30!! I was in TTL in the 1960s (OVER FORTY YEARS AGO) and the seder started at 7:30 AM and went to 9:30 PM. That’s how it always was through the years in the USA!!! Re: 9:30 pm that’s how it always was (when I was there in the ’60s), but it could be in the USSR it went till 11 pm – maybe because bochurim were tougher there (and often older) and required less sleep than the “soft & spolied” Americaner that need 7-8 hrs of… Read more »

Yes, Theres was
Reply to  Tomim
March 22, 2023 5:25 pm

At least in yeshivos in israel.
7 am chassidus

Tomim
Reply to  Yes, Theres was
March 22, 2023 7:00 pm

EY have their own derech (example Toras Emes). No ra’ya from there!

TTL is 770.

THAT is the gold standard that others try to copy.

In 770 it’s always been 7:30 AM – 9:30 PM.

So how it changed?
Reply to  Tomim
March 22, 2023 8:25 pm

What did the Rebbe or the frierdicker Rebbe say about it?
Im surprised it is not a known thing. (Maybe precisely thats why)

Tomim
March 21, 2023 10:43 am

The 7:30 AM – 9:30 PM seder has been going well before the early 60’s – when I attended TTL.

Any Yeshiva without Meshichist/Anti politics?
March 21, 2023 10:51 am

The yeshivos are so polarized – either they are Meshichist or totally Anti.

Why not create a NORMAL yeshiva without the brainwashing politics of the far-right or far-left???

Yechi
Reply to  Any Yeshiva without Meshichist/Anti politics?
March 22, 2023 3:52 pm

Is believing in Moshiach she’b’dor “politics”? It is m’ikrei emunah. Moshiach is one of the Rambam’s Ikrim – just like believing in Hashem! It would not be “normal” to have a yeshiva that thinks G-dliness is optional! A yeshiva without yiddishkeit is not a yeshiva!

Untrue.
Reply to  Any Yeshiva without Meshichist/Anti politics?
March 22, 2023 4:50 pm

New Haven Mesivta is neutral; they don’t impose anything upon you. They let the Bochurim who want to say Yechi after Davening, and to sing Loy Seyvoshi, but they don’t let Degels and Yechi being written in it’s ‘full glory’ on signs and whatnot.

Lubavitch
March 22, 2023 12:14 pm

I am personally hurt and shocked that “Yanky’s ” comments were allowed.

How dare he get away with calling yeshivos and bochurim “junk” or “garbage”?!

Such comments are offensive and do not belong here.

There is no such thing as junk yeshivos or junk bochurim.

People like Yanky create this problem.

The only junk here is Yanky’s comments.

This attitude MUST stop!!

Neutral
Reply to  Lubavitch
March 23, 2023 2:33 pm

I enjoyed YAnky’s comments – refreshing to hear honest opinions.

Dovid Krautwirth
March 22, 2023 12:27 pm

The mesivta in Kingston PA ( not the same as Wilkes) run by Rabbi Shimon Hellinger, fits the description well.
The bochrim are frum and want to learn, but have an easier curriculum and schedule. For example they learn mesechtos of seder moed, which are easier and more relatable for the average person. They also learn mishna, and more practical halacha than the mainstream yeshivas. They are currently accepting applications for next year.

Baal Shem Tov
March 22, 2023 4:16 pm

The Besht also saw the greatness of anoshim pshutim (the simple folk) that are frum yet are unable to learn. The greatness of their simple saying of tehilim with emunah p’shuta, that outshone the brilliant learning of talmidei chachomim.

So now we are promoting yeshivos for bochurim p’shutim, that have emunah p’shuta, and can say tehilim all day instead of learning the gemarah.

Brilliant!

Reply to Baal Shem Tov
Reply to  Baal Shem Tov
March 22, 2023 6:52 pm

In those days a “poshete” bochur wouldn’t go to ANY yeshiva. After cheder he’d get a job and become a poshete baal habos. Is that what you aresaying? That non-learning bochurim should face reality and quit the normal “yeshiva system” and have their own “yeshiva” – a non-learning place of yiras shamayim where they can develop into health (non-resentful) anoshim peshutim?

Walk the walk
March 22, 2023 8:43 pm

Why just do the talk? The author knows how to run a yeshiva. Why doesn’t he change his yeshiva into the missing link yeshiva? He tells US what is needed but doesn’t just do it himself. Why?

This is a CORE issue THANK YOU for bringing it up!
Reply to  Walk the walk
March 23, 2023 12:23 am

I agree 100%. Rabbi Avtzon: “The reader of the letter should carry it out”.
1) You see the need clearly.
2) You already have the infrastructure.
3) You have a great opportunity to fill a void and literally help establish chassidishe homes that wouldn’t be there otherwise.

I’m sure you will have overwhelming support when you set yourself to accomplish this endeavor.
I, along with many others, am waiting for the day that you will announce that your yeshiva is catering for these boys.
AND WATCH MANY OTHER YESHIVOS FOLLOW SUIT!!

HATZLACHA RABBA!

BIG NACHAS TO THE REBBE!!!

Talkers not walkers

We are a nation of talkers. Everyone grabs a mic and has what to say. Very few are doers. Lots of us are “world renown speakers”, famous authors and writers. The doers are too busy doing – instead of talking and writing articles.

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